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Pre Islamic Era (before 651 AD). 8000 years of Persian History, the oldest civilization in the world.

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Excuse me, but . . .

Postby Calian » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:32 am

some civilization are much older than the Persian Empire.

These are:

Egypt(3100BC - first dynasty)

Sumer(3100BC)
following Akkad(2350BC)

The Persian Empire dates from Elam, east of Mesopotamia.

early Indian and Sinian empires date earlier or from the same time on.

Excuse my English, please.
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Flawed Statements

Postby Ahreeman X » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:24 am

Flawed Statements!

Dear Calian:

My friend, It would have been nice, if you did your study/research before you have posted this message! The last thing on this Earth that you would like to do is to get in a Historical Discussion with me! History is my Nightly Beef! I have been study & research it since age 10.

Please Observe The Flaws in your statement:

"some civilization are much older than the Persian Empire."


You are Wrong!
Corrections: Iran (Persia) is the oldest civilization in the world and has 8000 years of history. Here is why:

No Civilization is older than Iranian Civilization. Iranian History does not start with The Persian Empire (559 BC), but it starts with The City State/Kingdom of Shoosh aka Susa (6000 BC). This is where most people go wrong (due to lack of information). Public is simply not aware of much important historical facts. Public believes that Iran has a bit above 2500 years of history; however, historians know better that, way before Persian Empire, there was the Median Kingdom, Vedaee Kingdom and Susa Kingdom and all of these periods are periods of the Iranian (Persian) History.

Allow me to inform you:

Periods of Iranian History:

1. Ancient Civilizations Era: 6000 BC - 2000 BC
2. Vedaee Era: 2000 BC - 850 BC
3. Pre-Avesta Era: 850 BC - 728 BC
4. The Kingdom Era: 728 BC - 559 BC
5. The First Imperial Era: 559 BC - 651 AD
6. The First Arabo-Islamic Invasion-Occupation Era: 651 AD - 873 AD
7. The Second Imperial Era: 873 AD - 1979 AD
8. The Second Arabo-Islamic Invasion-Occupation Era: 1979 AD - present


"These are:

Egypt(3100BC - first dynasty) "


You are Wrong again.
Correction: Egypt does not have 5105 years of history (as you wrote). Egypt has 6000 years of history. Iran has 8000 years of history, much older than Egypt.

According to you:
3100 BC + 2005 AD = 5105

The Reality is:
Egypt has a bit over 6000 years of history. Egyptian Civilization existed before the Egyptian 1st Dynasty. Egyptian Civilization starts with Egyptian City State and Egyptian Ancient Civilization Era, not with The 1st Dynasty! So you simply disregarded 895 years of the Egyptian History! You denied Egypt of 895 years of her history!

6000 years of Egyptian history is less than 8000 years of Iranian history! Simple Calculation.

"Sumer(3100BC)
following Akkad(2350BC) "


Once again you are wrong!
Corrections: 5105 years of Mesopotamian history (Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, Babylon, etc.) is less than 8000 years of Iranian History.

Summer and Akkad are Dead Cultures and they do not exist any more! We are talking about Living Cultures!

Even if they did, still they would have:
3100 + 2005 = 5105 years of history
Iran has 8000 years of history, much more than both of them.

"The Persian Empire dates from Elam, east of Mesopotamia."


Wrong!
Corrections: Persian Culture dates from Susa (today's Khuzestan state of Iran)! Thats 6000 BC. Way before Elam (partially ILam state of Iran), there was Susa (Shoosh).

"early Indian and Sinian empires date earlier or from the same time on. "


Wrong again!
Correction: India with about 4600 years of history is no match to Persian History of 8000 years!

"Excuse my English, please."


You have made so many Incorrect and Wrong Statements in this post that if you were my student in University, I would have made you to retake the course in which you have registered in!

But,

Ahreeman is forgiving! Ahreeman shall forgive your English; however, this is no excuse for making Flawed and False and Wrong and Extremely Sad Statements in The IPC History Hall, without thoroughly studying your material first! But then again, we shall slide this one under the Persian Rug and forgive you, because:

Ahreeman is Generous and Forgiving. Now grab a cup of Persian Tea with lemon on the side, sit down & let me inform you of some history.

Allow me to enlighten you:

What we need to know is that, all the great ancient cultures of the world by the order of their historical age, including:

Egypt with about 6000 years of history
China with about 5200 years of history
India with about 4600 years of history
Peru (Aspero) with about 4600 years of history
Greece with about 4000 years of history
Mexico (Olmec) with about 3200 years of history
Lebanon (Phoenicia) with about 3100 years of history
Tunis (Carthage) with about 2800 years of history
Italy (Rome) with about 2500 years of history
Japan with about 1700 years of history


Are no match & by no means even near the:

8000 years of Iranian History
The Oldest Civilization in The World

For more information, read this book by yours truly:

8000 Years of Iranian History (7 parts)
http://hometown.aol.com/ahreemanxii/index.html

and then read more historical books by yours truly:

IPC History
http://members.aol.com/ahreemanx/page36.html

One shall study history before making historical statements!

Welcome to IPC

Amen

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Re: Flawed Statements

Postby Calian » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:16 pm

AhreemanX wrote:Flawed Statements!

Well, I will not become better, if you write in big red letters. You never be better in the end only by using the tools of teh forum . . .

Dear Calian:

My friend,

I am not, and I mean not, your friend. I inform myself everytime before I make such statements.
It would have been nice, if you did your study/research before you have posted this message! The last thing on this Earth that you would like to do is to get in a Historical Discussion with me! History is my Nightly Beef! I have been study & research it since age 10.

You have to study politics too. History is not everything. To study it for long time does not mean you know everything. Keep that in mind - you and I are in no ways better then other people.

Please Observe The Flaws in your statement:

please observe the arrogant and discriminant way you write, perhaps one day it will fall back on you in a way you will not like it. This is a simple hint, no warning or something else you like to interpretate into this.

You are Wrong!

Do you have ever read a sciencetext with exclamation marks?
Corrections:Iran (Persia) is the oldest civilization in the world and has 8000 years of history. Here is why:

No Civilization is older than Iranian Civilization. Iranian History does not start with The Persian Empire (559 BC), but it starts with The City State/Kingdom of Shoosh aka Susa (6000 BC). This is where most people go wrong (due to lack of information). Public is simply not aware of much important historical facts. Public believes that Iran has a bit above 2500 years of history; however, historians know better that, way before Persian Empire, there was the Median Kingdom, Vedaee Kingdom and Susa Kingdom and all of these periods are periods of the Iranian (Persian) History.

I know the later Empires and they are civilizations in fact. Do you ever ask yourself from which societies the term civilization do come frome? Do you have ever informed yourself, before making statements?

Allow me to inform you:

Thank you, the same to you.

Periods of Iranian History:
1. Ancient Civilizations Era: 6000 BC - 2000 BC

wrong, the term civilization could not be used for this era. search for the oldest city in the world - it ist no civilization after all, because the term comes from some other place.
2. Vedaee Era: 2000 BC - 850 BC
3. Pre-Avesta Era: 850 BC - 728 BC
4. The Kingdom Era: 728 BC - 559 BC
5. The First Imperial Era: 559 BC - 651 AD
6. The First Arabo-Islamic Invasion-Occupation Era: 651 AD - 873 AD
7. The Second Imperial Era: 873 AD - 1979 AD

You forgot the Mongol invasion and Timur Lengs Mongol Empire.
8. The Second Arabo-Islamic Invasion-Occupation Era: 1979 AD - present

Wrong, the second. The revolution was islamic in truth, but it was shiite islam, which are only in one Arab state the majority[hm, the grammar in this sentence is incorrecte], in Oman. And I never know, that the Oman financed the Islamic revolution. But you clear me up then, thank you.

"These are:

Egypt(3100BC - first dynasty) "


You are Wrong again.
Correction: Egypt does not have 5105 years of history (as you wrote). Egypt has 6000 years of history. Iran has 8000 years of history, much older than Egypt.

According to you:
3100 BC + 2005 AD = 5105

The Reality is:
Egypt has a bit over 6000 years of history. Egyptian Civilization existed before the Egyptian 1st Dynasty. Egyptian Civilization starts with Egyptian City State and Egyptian Ancient Civilization Era, not with The 1st Dynasty! So you simply disregarded 895 years of the Egyptian History! You denied Egypt of 895 years of her history!

You do not know how to use the term civilization correct, so get back to your books and find out please. You see, I simply use you violent and ignorant language against you. A funny thing in the end?

6000 years of Egyptian history is less than 8000 years of Iranian history! Simple Calculation.

history or civilizational history? History dates back to nomads and cave tribes.

"Sumer(3100BC)
following Akkad(2350BC) "


Once again you are wrong!
Corrections: 5105 years of Mesopotamian history (Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, Babylon, etc.) is less than 8000 years of Iranian History.

histoy, should I describe again, what history means? No, I think, you got the message afterwards.

Summer and Akkad are Dead Cultures and they do not exist any more! We are talking about Living Cultures!

Well, where is this written. I read the Forum information - no hint. It was not hinted with an important poll, so who should know. Oh, now you could suggest, that this is clear and logical, but afterwards all people are geniuses. The classical Iranian culture is also dead. But this would all be wrong, culture could not die - parts oft it are adoptet from later cultures, empires and civilizations - you could now hate this term, but it is just a term, is it not?

Even if they did, still they would have:
3100 + 2005 = 5105 years of history
Iran has 8000 years of history, much more than both of them.

Wrong again.

"The Persian Empire dates from Elam, east of Mesopotamia."


Wrong!
Corrections: Persian Culture dates from Susa (today's Khuzestan state of Iran)! Thats 6000 BC. Way before Elam (partially ILam state of Iran), there was Susa (Shoosh).

In web lexicons and in books it is describe in another way. Interesting, is it not. But you knwo more than all the Scientists, it now comes true to me.

"early Indian and Sinian empires date earlier or from the same time on. "


Wrong again!
Correction: India with about 4600 years of history is no match to Persian History of 8000 years!

You really like history and do not know what the term means? This is funny.

"Excuse my English, please."


You have made so many Incorrect and Wrong Statements in this post that if you were my student in University, I would have made you to retake the course in which you have registered in!

Well, I am not your student, but if you are really teachin I grieve for the good of your students. If my tutors and profs would be that bad, I should change university by now.

But,

Ahreeman is forgiving! Ahreeman shall forgive your English; however, this is no excuse for making Flawed and False and Wrong and Extremely Sad Statements in The IPC History Hall, without thoroughly studying your material first! But then again, we shall slide this one under the Persian Rug and forgive you, because:

Oh, I am sorry. But I can not forgive for being violent to language culture and agressive by talking. How you shout in the wood, so it echoes back.

Ahreeman is Generous and Forgiving. Now grab a cup of Persian Tea with lemon on the side, sit down & let me inform you of some history.

Allow me to enlighten you:

Oh, I am clearly enlighted by your rape of language. It is sad, but there are not many ways in which the USA are not sad.

What we need to know is that, all the great ancient cultures of the world by the order of their historical age, including:

How could you dare to describe a culture as great, if you do not know all cultures in history in all pieces?

Egypt with about 6000 years of history
China with about 5200 years of history
India with about 4600 years of history
Peru (Aspero) with about 4600 years of history
Greece with about 4000 years of history
Mexico (Olmec) with about 3200 years of history
Lebanon (Phoenicia) with about 3100 years of history
Tunis (Carthage) with about 2800 years of history
Italy (Rome) with about 2500 years of history
Japan with about 1700 years of history]

Are no match & by no means even near the:

8000 years of Iranian History
The Oldest Civilization in The World

Well, you have not understand. Should I describe it again, but you are truly wise, in a negative, sad way.

For more information, read this book by yours truly:

8000 Years of Iranian History (7 parts)
http://hometown.aol.com/ahreemanxii/index.html

and then read more historical books by yours truly:

IPC History
http://members.aol.com/ahreemanx/page36.html

One shall study history before making historical statements!

And not only read books from on person only. One should know terms, before he teaches them. But these are the USA, a country heading for another dark age, because this time event did only take in Europe and the Americans want to know it by themselves.

Welcome to IPC

thank you

Amen

Sign,

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Well, may your god bless you if you really believe in him.

Greeds

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Dearly Beloved!

Postby Ahreeman X » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:25 am

Dearly Beloved Calian:

In the name of

"Our Father" @ Under
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and

"Our Son" @ Surface
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and the ....

"Dark Spirit" connecting the two
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Buy the Power of Darkness invested in us,

We shall forgive you, thus you have sinned and wasted Ahreeman's time!

Ahreeman forgives you for wasting his time with your gibberish!

Ahreeman is forgiving!

You havest in fact many Unsolved Issues! Thus we are not a Medical Doctor, yet possibly if you get an appointment from our secretary, maybe we can havest a session with thee to solve thine Unsolved Problems!

Ahreeman is Merciful!

It would have been nice, if you truly had something to say! I see your mouth is moving but not saying anything! Kind O like a Silent Movie! Over here in IPC, we teach and learn something from one another. That's the use of this forum. Obviously you done neither so far!

What you done, is trying to teach me a lesson in behavior! So you do not like the way I conduct myself and you believe I am arrogant and violent and etc. Well you are entitled to your opinion but what does this have to do with history? You needed to post your remarks in the Behavior and Manners Room (we need to create one)!

Then you start playing with words! Word games are the oldest trick in the book, specially when one has nothing else to offer in a discussion! Every two bit child can understand that when I say History, I mean history of civilization! Indeed I am not talking about history of man!

This is the History Hall; therefore, when I say history of Iran is 8000 years old, I am not talking about history of mankind since creation/existence of mankind in Iranian territory! We are not talking Anthropology, we are talking history! Therefore I am not talking about Nomads and Neanderthals! I am talking about since a civilization has formed, since a City State has formed. But of course everyone else can assume this conclusion from my words except you!

It does not matter how you feel about me! Do you have anything to say about history? Wheres the beef?

It is taken granted that when one speaks of history in a history room of a forum, then he is talking about history of civilization not neanderthals!

Word Games does not get you anywhere here! But trying to learn or teach something to our knowledgeable members, will get you somewhere!

And you obviously do not like the way I talk! Well Woo pi Doo Zip a Di doo Daa De! Take a number and stand in line to shoot me with a dart or spank my hiney! Welcome to the club! There is a line of people from here all the way to New York that they can't stand me and my words! I would have not liked it any other way! I love controversy! So you do not approve of the way I conduct myself? Well welcome to the club!

But do you have anything to contribute in history? That is the question? Either learn from me or teach something to me in the history hall, or else what are you doing posting gibberish in the history hall?

Also,

I am in a stage of my life that I do not need to go read the meaning of terms in some online dictionary! I create my own terms! I invent terms! That's how the Uber Menschen operates in contradiction with the Menschen or Unter Menschen! Now go ahead & have a fit over this remark!

Also,

"Amen" is a term that I use as a theatric spice to add a moral theme to the lecture. This does not mean I am a Creationist! But then again to know that, you must the least, read some of my philosophical thesis on IPC, which you have not done! Maybe you should go and read some of the material in IPC Website & IPC club before you write a Bunch O Gibberish in the history hall!

And for Darwin & Allah's sake, stop wasting my time with Out There posts & replies to me! Time is money, the cash register is running and you are causing me financial damage! There are tons of people waiting for me to reply to their meaningful, contentful, intelligent posts and they hate you for wasting my time here! You see, I have different discussions and debates going on with different people in different rooms of IPC, I also have unanswered posts waiting for me to reply to!

People are waiting for my response and they are beginning to give you the dirty looks, simply because you are wasting my time and their time over here!

Beware of IPC Members' Dirty Looks!

Stop playing word games and get with the program. this here (IPC) is for the elite of the globe! Can you hack it?

Ahreeman Bless you Calian!

Amen

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Postby Calian » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:12 am

I have learnt much of you - even by now. I am not blind to the world. So, teach me more. The more I know of you knowledge and even if this would only be your play with words or your lies - pardon me, your opinion - would brighten my understanding for the fall of the USA into the darkness of history. The fall that will come soon.

I know what history is and in fact you only got the answer in the same way your posts are. It is like a mirrow. But from now on, show me your wisdom, enlight me - but keep in mind, your play with words do not impress me.

I do not hate you or want to kill you, why should I have these feelings? I understand that these feelings are familar to your culture but the ethics of the western civilization in truth have nothing to do with violence - but mankind has no respect for their highest values.
No, I simply want to understand and lern and show with the example of my life that we should not be so unhuman as we are.

Language: Uber Menschen is incorrect - Ãœbermenschen is correct, believe me, my German(I have lived over 21 years in Germany) is perfect.

So go on and teach me - but keep your eyes open and lern yourself by teaching me.

To the topic: Well, if you could truely show me that there was no city state in another place in the world before this I believe you - do not create terms but look for facts and question yourself - everytime.
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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:12 am

Calian:

"Language: Uber Menschen is incorrect - Ãœbermenschen is correct, believe me, my German(I have lived over 21 years in Germany) is perfect."


I am fully aware of the German Language, you do not need to teach me German! The reason I separate the words, is to emphasize on "Uber" and "Unter". Uber Mensch creates terms, he does not follow terms!

"So go on and teach me - but keep your eyes open and lern yourself by teaching me."


Are you sure you are teachable? You have a chip on your shoulder!

"To the topic: Well, if you could truely show me that there was no city state in another place in the world before this I believe you - do not create terms but look for facts and question yourself - everytime."

Go research on Internet for the history of Susa (Shoosh), which is the present State of Khuzestan in Iran & you will see its the oldest Civilization on Earth! Thats all the proof that you need. Simple as that!

The rest of the gibberish you are handing me is rhetorics & oppinion on my behavior, not history!

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Postby reza » Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:07 am

this ahreemanx is one hell of a funny guy. Funny by means of idiocy that is. Your are perpetuating that the persians are 8000 years old, however, actual historians such as richard n frye, one of the most respected persian historians ever, explains to us that the persian people arrived on the iranian plateau at approximately 1250 bc.

when you speak of 8000 years you are reffering to the clay pot that was found in iran dating back 8000 years. this pot would date back to elamite and sumerian times. 8000 years ago the south west of iran was occupied by elamites. the east of them were the sumerians - the first civilisation. when you talk about the kingdom of susa, think about your statement, herodotus records that cyrus built a palace at the city of susa for the elamite people because THEIR town had never had such splendour. Herodotus explains that susa was an elamite town. The medians came with the persians and so they do not affec the persian historiography. the median empire dates around 1000 b.c.

calian is totally correct and i cannot find the words to express how stupid ahreeman is. You cannot quote yourself as a historian! for someone who thinks they know a lot about ancient istory your opinions are too influenced by your patriotism.
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