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Postby IPC » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:59 am

To defendant:

We suggest that you restrain yourself. You are not helping yourself by these outbursts. There is a fine lawyer present to speak on your behalf. If you have anything constructive to say on your behalf, then you can speak it, when DC or DA call you upon stand. Else, you need to keep silence because the more you outburst, the worst you portray yourself.

If you have anything constructive to add to your defense, then speak it, if not, then keep silence or prepare yourself for a Gag Order. We can unable you (all your screen names) to post, as of right now. One more outburst and you will be gagged and restrained in cuffs and out of here.

You have been disrupting this club, we will be damned to allow you to disrupt this court. You are your own worst enemy. If you do not care about what will happen to you as the outcome of this trial, then keep on talking and we can end this trial right now and save taxpayers some money by eliminating your existence! If you cannot be civilized, then you have no business here. Now apologize to this court and officers of this court (DA, DC, etc.) right now!

From this moment, you can speak only in a civilized manner and when you are cross-examined. The only exception to above, will be that you can speak, only if you must absolutely bring something important to the attention of this court. No remarks, pranks, anime, jokes, insults or other misfits or you will be gagged!
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Postby IPC » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:09 am

Clarifications to DA and DC

Order Order (Gavel Bang)

Court must have order

DC:
Objection!


Proceed

DC:
DA is attempting to bypass the trial and go straight to the punishment. L-man, chill with the trigger finger. He must be found guilty first.


Noted. DA please hold on to your trigger until after the trial.

DA:
The accused party (TBK) being guilty of violating the 1st, 4th, 9th Amendment of the IPC Constitution


Seems so.

DC:
We must do our best to uphold the principles under which IPC was founded by its Founding Fathers…aka Ahreeman. I do not believe that it was his intent to limit the freedom of the existence of those such as TBK.


DA:
Objection you Honor. Speculating on behalf of someone else.


No speculation please.

DA:
If rules and laws are meant to be "ideals" that society should strive for then we would be living in a lawless society. Dear members of the jury, why do we have laws in our society? Why do we for example deem rape to be illegal and something that should be punished? We have laws to uphold the rule of law and we enforce the law in order to deter people from breaking it and for punishing those who break it. Breaking the law jeopardizes the peaceful society, which we seek to live in. If we were to allow people to roam around free doing as they wish and "advising" them to "follow ideals" there would be utter chaos! Some individuals might not want to strive for any ideals such as the accused party in this trial. If a rapist was advised to follow an ideal, but knowing that if he didn't there would be no repercussions, do you members of the jury think that would deter him from carrying out his crime? No it wouldn't; it would in fact encourage him and other criminals to increase their illegal activities. The very same can be applied to spammers and those who seek to disrupt freedom of speech.


Good point

DA:
With that having been stated defense council has chosen to interprete the "Nothing here is sacred!" sentence within Amendment 5 very literally. Members of the jury, can we not conclude what is reasonable and what is not. If we take the "Nothing here is sacred!" sentence literally then rape, murder, spamming etc would all be allowed would it not?


Constitution of IPC is clear. No need for interpretations! Constitution of IPC is not Quran or Bible which needs interpretations!

DA:
Since it's the interpretation of the Constitution that has been brought into question here it is imperative for IPC Office or the Founder to take to the stand and set the record straight once and for all, as it is clear the Constitution is being interpreted in different ways.


DA:
Again I beg to differ with Defense council's take on this. TBK started off with one username to spread his agenda as has been outlined by the DA. Today TBK has 3 different (known) usernames which defense refers to "a limited number". So the defense council believes that it is the right of his client to have different usernames to pursue his agenda of disrupting and sabotage?


Sabotage can't be allowed.

DA:
Honorable members of the Jury, is it too much to ask TBK to have one username?


DA:
As we can infer from TBK's trackrecord these usernames will multiply and so will his agenda of sabotage on this board. The accused party needs to be held accountable for his/her/it's behaviour!


There is no problem to have multiple usernames but when those usernames are being used for disruption of IPC, then we have a problem.

Hijacking threads cannot be allowed. We spend time and effort to create valuable thinking threads for intellectual arguments and we cannot allow them to be trashed. Wise cracks are fine but as long as they are:

a) Funny
b) Don't hijack the threads and twist their directions

Defendant can start his own threads in proper rooms and do as he pleases. Defendant cannot disrupt the orderly format of IPC.

DC:
I hereby challenge the enforceability of IPC's Constitution. I claim that the Constitution can be interpreted not as a minimum standard which would require electrocution by anyone failing to reach its demands, but as an ideal for which its members ought to strive.


DC:
However, if we view these Amendments as "the mission" of this club then we can be proud of this mission


DA:
Here I would like to call for an official representative of IPC Office to set clear what Amendement 1 of the IPC Constitution entails and other amendaments whose interpretation have been brought into question.


Let us shed some lights

Grounds,

Constitution of IPC is a mission statement, but also it is a code to live by. Constitution of IPC is an ideal way of life, a utopia to achieve, but to achieve this utopia, it cannot be reached by chaos, disorder, disruption and creating a Zoo-like environment! To achieve this utopia, can only be reached by following the teachings and ways for achieving these goals!

So constitution of IPC is a mission statement and it may not be completely enforcable unless in an ideal society, yet if we agree that this constitution must be the ultimate goal to achieve betterment and higher society, then we must try to enforce it as much as we can.

To reach these goals, we must have a shinning example amongst the Iranian media and Communities. This shining example cannot be reached by creating a Zoo in IPC! When one (defendant or alike) attempt to create Chaos, anarchy and a zoo in IPC, then you must answer some questions:

Can we allow it?

And if we do, then will we be able to reach our destined goals, our mission statement and our utopia in which Ahreeman proposed and IPC operation members passed?

To walk the path to that shining light, we must set a worthy example that we deserve to walk that path. Can we walk that path with minutely interruptions, disruptions, spam and chaos? If so, then will we turn to another meaningless Iranian forum?

So Constitution of IPC is the law of the land, but the future land. Yet if we want to reach this land, then we must walk the walk to this path.


DA and DC,
Please set the grounds as you will question the above, from yourselves and please proceed with your arguments.
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Postby Emam Kooni » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:36 am

[b][size=150]My Good Fellow Iranians,

Are We Iranians or Sheep?

Are we going to allow the Treacherous Impostor Turk to replace out Iranian Traditions and History with that of “Turkish Waysâ€
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Here's......Johnnie!

Postby Amir » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:20 pm

Johnnie Cochran enters the courtroom with his shinny new suit and sunglasses….


Dear Court:

Please allow me two minutes to confer with my client off the record…

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My Good Fellow Iranians,


TBK, you are neither Good, nor a Fellow, nor an Iranian. So who are you talking to?

Are We Iranians or Sheep?


“We,â€
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Postby Liberator » Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:32 pm

From this moment, you can speak only in a civilized manner and when you are cross-examined. The only exception to above, will be that you can speak, only if you must absolutely bring something important to the attention of this court. No remarks, pranks, anime, jokes, insults or other misfits or you will be gagged!


Seeing that the accused party is not abiding by the Judges order, I request the judge to immediately enforce this ruling and restrain the accused.


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I request that judgement be reserved on this case until I am allowed to call to the stand a key witness: Ahreeman.


If Ahreeman is available then he should step forth, otherwise I do believe that IPC Office is qualifed to represent Ahreeman as they are the ones who started IPC together with him and should know his intentions pretty well. I leave this to the judgement of the Judge.

I certainly agree with DA that laws are there for a purpose and cannot be overlooked. However, my argument was not attempting to condone anarchy. My point was that the IPC constitution, as a whole, is not a set of laws. They are not laws, but ideals and mission statements. The only amendment in there that can be viewed as an actual law is A8, as I previously noted.


Mr Defense Attorney, I think that the judge adressed this issue when stating:

So constitution of IPC is a mission statement and it may not be completely enforcable unless in an ideal society, yet if we agree that this constitution must be the ultimate goal to achieve betterment and higher society, then we must try to enforce it as much as we can.

To reach these goals, we must have a shinning example amongst the Iranian media and Communities. This shining example cannot be reached by creating a Zoo in IPC! When one (defendant or alike) attempt to create Chaos, anarchy and a zoo in IPC, then you must answer some questions:

Can we allow it?

And if we do, then will we be able to reach our destined goals, our mission statement and our utopia in which Ahreeman proposed and IPC operation members passed?

To walk the path to that shining light, we must set a worthy example that we deserve to walk that path. Can we walk that path with minutely interruptions, disruptions, spam and chaos? If so, then will we turn to another meaningless Iranian forum?


So although the Judge admits that the IPC Constitution is a set of ideals as you yourself have stated in your remarks, the Judge has stated that those ideals have to be enforced in some sort of way. I think the Judge was quite clear in that IPC will not be allowed to be reduced to a ZOO by individuals such as your client who have one sole purpose in coming here, that is disrupting the freedom of speech of others by hijacking/trashing threads, and sabotaging IPC operations.

[quote]3. It is not reasonable to compare the “nothing here is sacredâ€
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Postby IPC » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:33 pm

DC:

Out of order

2nd and Final Warning

It is a shame that you have prepared such a good case and you also had a good chance saving your client's behind, but it is clear to this court that your client wants to suicide in this court and in IPC!

We give you 24 hours to (1) restrain your client and (2) get your client to apologize to this court and the court officers, so you can sustain your defense in this court of law. If you fail to do so, we have no choice but to gag your client during the reminder of this trial.

To gag your client, we will order all his present and future screen names to seize capability to post.

If you can't shut your client up in a court of law, we will shut him up for you!


Mr./Miss Bache Kooni:

You have a fighting chance (your lawyer Amir) in this court. Amir works hard to save your neck. If you want to destroy that fighting chance, cut the trial short and go directly to electric chair (banned from IPC), then we will not stop you. You have stretched the patience of this court and this club beyond the limits. This is your 2nd and final warning before getting gagged!

Order, Order (Gavel) ..........
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Postby IPC » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:55 pm

More grounds and clarification

Officers of the court:


DA:
With that having been stated defense council has chosen to interprete the "Nothing here is sacred!" sentence within Amendment 5 very literally. Members of the jury, can we not conclude what is reasonable and what is not. If we take the "Nothing here is sacred!" sentence literally then rape, murder, spamming etc would all be allowed would it not?


DC seems to be taken this statement out of context! The complete amendment:

5th Amendment.
Freedom of speech, the 1st US amendment is the model rule, you may express yourself as long as you do not step on any other person's rights and you may do it without being afraid to be expelled. In this club we will; talk, criticize, analyze, comment, joke, humor and question everyone's opinion, belief, and ideology, freely. Nothing here is sacred! We will do the above to: God, prophets, religions, holy saints, Islam, Shiite, Sunni, Christianity, Judaism, Bahaiism, the government of Iran, Islamists, Fundamentalists, Moderates, Reformists, Atheists, Darwin, Karl Marx, Lenin, Communists, Tudehists, Leftists, Socialists, Fedayin, Mojahedin, Jebheists, Constitutional Monarchists, The Shah, Imperial family, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Social Democrats, Fascists, Falangists, National Socialists and everyone else. We will express ourselves freely. Freedom of speech is highly enforced.


Amendment is clearly talking about "Ideologies", not every single element in the universe!

But then again, DC has a point here:

DC:
If the IPC constitution is a set of laws, then either all of it or none of it can be taken literally.


Court, please proceed
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Postby Emam Kooni » Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:58 pm

Fellow Iranians,

i. Many of U lived under the Shah when U dared not to express your true Political and Ideological inclinations. U dared NOT to free express because U feared SAVAK and being given the fredom to choose between CokaCola, PepsiCola, or Osso.

ii. U shut your mouth observant of the fact that Iran during the Shah was a big Ass Kissing Fraternity sustained by grand Oil Revenues that were disappearing in the big pockets of the Royal Family.

iii. U shut your mouth, as the underclass was organizing covertly, as your rights of free political expression was no granter that Iranian Sheep!

iv. U shut your mouth because of Discredited, Special Interest, snd Asskissing Gutless Entities incapable of personal sacrifice, such as this Liberator who had the dignity to grab balls and run at the first inkling of a problem, leaving principals and beliefs in the outhouse, allowing the others to make the sacrifices.

v. And now, the Discredited Liberator exercises that which is in his nature, an urge to gag, suppress, and expunge that which is not aligned with his Historically Failed Agenda and Ways.

vi. If U submit to the will of the Contemptible Discredited, then it will be not a matter of if, but when U will be suppressed.

vii.
The following link illuminates my point, yielding the indisputable subsequent graphic conclusion:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=1078
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Postby IPC » Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:23 pm

On the note

DC:
I once said that freedom without direction, a sense of self, and intellect is only an illusion of freedom. I still say that. Someone like TBK can never be free, because his mind is not capable of making any meaningful choices. He can never be free, no matter what we do or not do to him. His freedom never existed, and we therefore can never take it from him. But by executing him, we take away part of our own freedom.


Isn't it ironic that DC is now fighting for the opposite belief of what he preached to the webmistress?!

In the past, DC had argued and preached exactly the opposite of what he must now defend (with the webmistress)! Irony, what goes around, comes around in Twilight Zone (IPC)!

DC is tasting a taste of his own medicine which he handed to the webmistress (in the past)!

Accident? Or did we plan it to occur? Just another test in IPC! Mystical and Mysterious IPC!

Please proceed
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Tickle....tickle....

Postby Amir » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:39 pm

On the side note of:

Isn't it ironic that DC is now fighting for the opposite belief of what he preached to the webmistress?!

In the past, DC had argued and preached exactly the opposite of what he must now defend (with the webmistress)! Irony, what goes around, comes around in Twilight Zone (IPC)!

DC is tasting a taste of his own medicine which he handed to the webmistress (in the past)!

Accident? Or did we plan it to occur? Just another test in IPC! Mystical and Mysterious IPC!


Well, well…Her Honor wishes to tickle the DC a bit? Johnnie likes to be tickled!

Actually, if one looks a little closer, it becomes clear that DC is not being inconsistent.

I said:

I once said that freedom without direction, a sense of self, and intellect is only an illusion of freedom. I still say that. Someone like TBK can never be free, because his mind is not capable of making any meaningful choices. He can never be free, no matter what we do or not do to him. His freedom never existed, and we therefore can never take it from him. But by executing him, we take away part of our own freedom.


What I said then and what I say now are not different. My point then, and my point now, is that freedom without self-worth and intelligence is worthless and not freedom at all. It is the same freedom that cattle exercise when they say “mooâ€
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I agree......

Postby LOJ » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:48 am

I agree with Atusa, this BK person has been a disruption, but I guess if ya'll have nothing to do then this person could also act as some entertainment.....yet we all should know that common sense tells us; NEGATIVE actions usually produce the most attention and money.....
That is why some people sell the most pathetic stuff, just to get $$$, when they know that trying to sell the honest, truthful stuff will not do it.

That is why my book is JUST NOW getting to the press, since I started writing it back in 2002, all my literary agent wanted me to do was to tell the world that Iran was responsible for EVERYTHING from global warming to the fleas that feast on my kitties. I could not do this, so over a period of 4 years and several re-writes, we have compromised....

So while you might be entertained by this BK person, don't allow him/her/it?? to interfere and divert all the attention away from the issues that SHOULD be focused on in IPC.
This person might seem stupid and shallow and ignorant of certain political issues......but those that go out of their way to promote this type of "aura" usually are not.
But then again this person just might be playing dumb in hopes of us thinking that he/she/it is NOT, and maybe IT really is dumb, and just wants to be amongst those that aren't.??

Either way, don't let this "IT" monopolize your time or your energies....or soon you will be caught up in so much SHIITE you will forget where you came from.
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Postby Emam Kooni » Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:39 pm

ImageGood to hear from 'Fangule', I mean LOJ and her new avatar, with no deformed, sagging boob !

U didn’t change the avatar on my count, did U? Who is that, your mom? If not, she looks like a dwarf mutant ninga!

Last I remember, X was going to administer an IQ operation. Sadly, it has failed:
_______[quote="fangul-0f-past"][/quote]

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Didn’t know that U can write, much less write a book? Is it gone be publish on soft Sharman Toilet paper? Be considerate of Islamic soft butt!
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Postby IPC » Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:49 pm

Newly hired Bailiff: Attention, All rise
Her honor CA (Catayoun Afshar), sitting district judge, representative of the IPC Office, enters the courtroom.

Bailiff: All be seated.



Judge proceeds ...

Officers of the court:

If there are any other witnesses for DA or DC, please speak and testify now.
If there are any more arguments from DA or DC, please argue now.

Another 48 hours time is set for above issues, then DA and DC can announce that they are done.
Afterwards, we will move to closing arguments in these manners:


Closing Order

1. DA closing argument
DA should ask for one, more or all counts of crimes/punishments from the court. The more counts that DA asks for, the more options the Jury will have to convict (in one, more or all counts).

Crime
Punishment
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Intellectual Poverty and Chaotic Behavior (Criminal Negligence)
Warning - probation (as requested by DA) - conditional existence in IPC - close surveillance

Criminal Fraud and Grand Ignorance 2 (Manslaughter 2)
Take away BK's privilege (not right) to post in IPC. To post in IPC is not a right, but a privilege. All BK's present/future screennames will be able to only read IPC in silence but not able to post.

Criminal Fraud and Grand Ignorance 1 (Manslaughter 1)
Delete all BK's posts by all BK screennames.

Spam and Sabotage 2 (Murder 2)
Ban BK temporarily (Ban all present/future BK IPs/screennames for a limited period as will be decided)

Spam and Sabotage 1 (Murder 1)
Ban BK forever (Ban all present/future BK IPs/screennames forever)

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=1077




2. DC closing argument

3. Jury will go in session (48 hours). Jury (IPC members) will cast their votes of guilty or not guilty on one, more or all counts.

4. Judge (IPC Office) will collect the verdict, decides to follow it or set it aside and release its own verdict.

Order, order (gavel)

After a short recess, the court will proceed with its final 48 hours session before the final arguments.

Bailiff: Attention, All rise
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Postby Liberator » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:11 pm

Your Honor! TBK seriously needs to be restrained! He is running loose and barking in the court, he is at present humping LOJ's right leg!!!

Objection. Speculation.

How does the DA know the intent of TBK? His behavior is nothing short of retarded, but his intent cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.


His intent can be inferred from the history he has on this board. He is purposely acting against the "ideals" which this board strives for. This intent is quite clear; TBK could have other intentions besides this however those are not the ones being addressed in this court.

Objection. DA is misrepresenting DC’s statements. DC never acknowledged that his pet committed a crime. Can the court clerk please read back the DC’s statement please?

DC acknowledged that TBK is guilty of violating these Amendments. But as I contend, these Amendments are not laws but mission statements. If they are not laws, their breach does not constitute a crime. And if no crime is committed, no punishment can be imposed.


DA acknowledges DC's corrections however the DA's point still stands. DA has laid out charges which hold TBK accountable of acting against the ideals of IPC, acting in a very non-productive and disrupting manner, and furthermore IPC has made it clear that this place will not be allowed to turn into a ZOO.

I have no further statements to make and will deliver my final arguments when the Honorable Judge directs me to.



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Postby Emam Kooni » Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:43 pm

Oh, the Impostor Turk Liberator spoke! From his good side!
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