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Re: IPC Website "Hot New Model"

Postby Liberator » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:37 pm

Dear Dr X,

I'm not a conservative hardcore fundamentalist religion freak as you might have come to understand by now but with all due respect...I don't know if the idea you have of "hot new model" is appropriate for the site? Many females might be offended at those pictures and I don't think it's appropriate for those under 18 who might be interested in our cause to be seeing that.

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/fashion ... st_jpg.jpg

If you had more appropriate models it would solve this problem. Personally if I wanted to see erotic pictures there are millions of other sites to cater just for that business. Have models like Shermine Shahrivar instead...just my 2 kronor.


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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:14 pm

Dear Liberator:

“Dear Dr X,

I'm not a conservative hardcore fundamentalist religion freak as you might have come to understand by now but with all due respect...I don't know if the idea you have of "hot new model" is appropriate for the site?”


There is nothing wrong with nude modeling! Myself, I would’ve walked around nude in the society if I could! Human body is to show off, why not?

The New IPC Site is a commercial site. We are here to create revenue. We need revenue to fund the Moral Revolution, Cultural Revolution and eventually the Political Revolution. Certain sections in IPC Website may look odd, but they have audience and the audience creates rating and the rating creates revenue.

Sex sells, fortune-telling sells, nude-modeling sells. You must understand there is a big difference between pornography and obscenity than Nude Modeling!

When you have sections such as Nude Modeling and Horoscopes, then you bring a number of crowd to IPC. These groups can be either professionals, yet only with knowledge in their own fields or they can be average Joes! Whatever they may be, once they start coming to IPC for Nude Modeling and Horoscopes, then they start reading other sections and once they start reading other sections, then they get educated and this is where The Moral Revolution and Cultural Revolution starts!

This is called Marketing and Business 101. This is how it’s done in Capitalism. In the past we did not care to create revenue; furthermore, we refused ads, donations and affiliates. Today, we are here to create revenue; furthermore, we are here to build the largest Iranian commercial website in the world. And how do you think we should go about it? To care about what is forbidden, taboo and improper according to Eye-Rainians?!

I think by now, you are aware that I do not have a shred of respect for the Status Q of the Iranian Community; furthermore, I want to change all Taboos in this community!

You see, this is not The 700 Club or Leave it to Beaver, and I am not Reverend Pat Robertson or Joan Cleaver! I am here to draft all my marketing and business talent into this website to create revenue and lots of it! We need huge amount of funds. Revolution takes funds! Do you get it? We are not selling anything illegal, drugs, guns, porn or contraband! We are selling everything legal and in our power to create maximum revenue for the cause.

I will use all proper tactics to achieve my strategy, which is a social and eventually a political revolution!

So, I could be careless about what the Traditional Iranian Family or Community believes is proper or not! I am not a proper man! I am here to break All Taboos!

“Many females might be offended at those pictures”


A female who gets offended by nude female body has either sexual issues, chip on the shoulder or is a traditional Superficial Iranian woman! Either way, I do not target those groups of women to read IPC.

The females that I am after, are extremely Free-minded, free-thinking, liberated, highly educated, professional, revolutionary women! How can a nude woman’s body offend a woman?! There is nothing wrong with nude bodies! You should try it! Nudity is good; try nudist camps and let it all hang out!

Women who make changes, are not going to be the typical cheesy Cheshm Ham Cheshm Iranian women with large diamond rings and traditional values which you see as AnchorWomen in Iranian TVs or Private Parties!

Women whom I am after, are hard-core revolutionary Iranian women, way too liberated to care about obscenity and taboos of the cheesy Iranian community!

We had already finished with many photo shoots of nude Persian models. We got a dozen of top nude Persian models ready for the future IPC’s “Hot New Model” issues! Persian girls cannot wait to take off their clothes for IPC! They love to show their assets! Luckily I enjoy female nude models, and so does the web mistress! Daaaaaaaamn, I knew I had something in common with CR!

“ and I don't think it's appropriate for those under 18 who might be interested in our cause to be seeing that.”


Those under 13 have no business in IPC. This is not a family site for children!
However, Teenagers do know more about sex and nudity than you and I combine! Do not kid yourself! A 14 year old Iranian kid knows more about sexual positions than you and I! Get real Liberator!

People in our cause must be open minded and ready to break taboos, or else they have no business to be in the “Change” Business! We are here to change everything, and not to become a part of the Status Q! It is good for teenagers to educate themselves on nude bodies! Maybe they learn something!

“If you had more appropriate models it would solve this problem.”


Would a proper model in Chador do?
Hows about Masoumeh Ebtekar?
Are you sure this is you talking?
You sound like a 70 year old traditional Shiite Persian Old Fart!

“ Personally if I wanted to see erotic pictures there are millions of other sites to cater just for that business.”


But there is only one site, which displays non-erotic, yet beautiful Persian nude models, and it is called IPC Website! Evolve Liberator Evolve………. Expand your horizons Liberator, Expand!

Don’t become another Iranian Old Fart Conservative Big Bellied Dodo!

“Have models like Shermine Shahrivar instead...”


We do and we will have fashion models as well as nude models both!
People enjoy different flavors!

Say, would you like me to do a nude photo shoot with Ahura Yazdi for you?!

“just my 2 kronor.”


Thanks for your input. But forget Kronor and stick with Dollars! We will need a lot of Dollars! As long as Iranian billionaires do not give a rats ass about the cause, then we need marketing and believe me, I am the master of marketing and business, but until this moment, I were not using my skills for IPC! Now, I am!

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Postby Liberator » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:29 am

Dear Mr Ron Jeremy wannabe! :badgrin:

Mr XXX,

AhreemanX wrote:Dear Liberator:

There is nothing wrong with nude modeling! Myself, I would’ve walked around nude in the society if I could! Human body is to show off, why not?


Actually it would not be practical to walk around naked in society. Even in the stone age people would wear clothes to protect their body's from cold, injury etc and the same applies for today. Human body is not something to be ashamed of but again it's not practical to walk around naked.


AhreemanX wrote:The New IPC Site is a commercial site. We are here to create revenue. We need revenue to fund the Moral Revolution, Cultural Revolution and eventually the Political Revolution. Certain sections in IPC Website may look odd, but they have audience and the audience creates rating and the rating creates revenue.

Sex sells, fortune-telling sells, nude-modeling sells. You must understand there is a big difference between pornography and obscenity than Nude Modeling!


Well the pictures you've put up are not just "nude modeling", but the poses they are making -spreading their legs and putting their anuses at display lol- makes it erotic.

AhreemanX wrote:When you have sections such as Nude Modeling and Horoscopes, then you bring a number of crowd to IPC. These groups can be either professionals, yet only with knowledge in their own fields or they can be average Joes! Whatever they may be, once they start coming to IPC for Nude Modeling and Horoscopes, then they start reading other sections and once they start reading other sections, then they get educated and this is where The Moral Revolution and Cultural Revolution starts!


I think that there are moral issues concerned with the pictures. that's why I raised this issue. Freedom is great but how far are you willing to take it or allow it to be taken? In the Netherlands they have established a Pedophiles Party who seeks to lower the age of consent for sex to something along Islamic culture (12 years old) and ultimately they would like to scrap age limits for sex! this would allow them to rape babies!!!

AhreemanX wrote:This is called Marketing and Business 101. This is how it’s done in Capitalism. In the past we did not care to create revenue; furthermore, we refused ads, donations and affiliates. Today, we are here to create revenue; furthermore, we are here to build the largest Iranian commercial website in the world. And how do you think we should go about it? To care about what is forbidden, taboo and improper according to Eye-Rainians?!


Again it's honorable that you are trying to raise funds but the means you're choosing are questionable; especially when we are also talking of a moral revolution.

AhreemanX wrote:I think by now, you are aware that I do not have a shred of respect for the Status Q of the Iranian Community; furthermore, I want to change all Taboos in this community!


I think if you put forth those pictures to citizens in developed countries their societies would find them a bit too much as well. The topic of sex is unfortunately a taboo subject in Iranian society - if you want to break this taboo maybe you can have a section for "sexual relationships"... if not and you want to keep your erotic pictures which is perfectly fine you should create an 18+ section - this way those who might not appreciate it would not have to deal with it being "in their face" everytime they visit the site. Even if the 18+ section is a "formality" and many under 18 can access it, it would be better than the status quo.

AhreemanX wrote:You see, this is not The 700 Club or Leave it to Beaver, and I am not Reverend Pat Robertson or Joan Cleaver! I am here to draft all my marketing and business talent into this website to create revenue and lots of it! We need huge amount of funds. Revolution takes funds! Do you get it? We are not selling anything illegal, drugs, guns, porn or contraband! We are selling everything legal and in our power to create maximum revenue for the cause.


Actually if you look at the definition for porn you'll see that those pictures can very well be classified as such because of the poses they are making which are erotic in nature.

AhreemanX wrote:I will use all proper tactics to achieve my strategy, which is a social and eventually a political revolution!


Again the tactics are questionable...

AhreemanX wrote:So, I could be careless about what the Traditional Iranian Family or Community believes is proper or not! I am not a proper man! I am here to break All Taboos!


Would you like more Pedophile Party's to be established across the world, in the name of breaking all "taboos" and "freedom"?

AhreemanX wrote:A female who gets offended by nude female body has either sexual issues, chip on the shoulder or is a traditional Superficial Iranian woman! Either way, I do not target those groups of women to read IPC.


It's not about being offended at a simple nude body, but it's regarding the pictures at hand and the positions portrayed in them, which reduce a female to being a "sexual object". This can be offending to females - it's actually similar to the Islamic view of females as sex-objects and nothing more.

AhreemanX wrote:Those under 13 have no business in IPC. This is not a family site for children!
However, Teenagers do know more about sex and nudity than you and I combine! Do not kid yourself! A 14 year old Iranian kid knows more about sexual positions than you and I! Get real Liberator!


Of course I know about teenagers and sex afterall I was a teenager myself only a few years ago! But what i'm saying is that I don't think "pornography" should be means of achieving our goals.

AhreemanX wrote:Would a proper model in Chador do?
Hows about Masoumeh Ebtekar?
Are you sure this is you talking?
You sound like a 70 year old traditional Shiite Persian Old Fart!


LOL. Does Shermine fit any of those categories? No. Look it's not like I haven't visited a porn site in my whole life. I'm objecting to this as I don't see it being a positive attribute to an otherwise treasure grove of knowledge. But if you think pornography/erotic pictures and historical/political knowledge go hand in hand and will benefit the cause then more power to you. From an ethical standpoint this is not right - but having said that it doesn't mean that all "accepted standards of conduct" should be left unquestioned... making it an 18+ area would solve this.

AhreemanX wrote:But there is only one site, which displays non-erotic, yet beautiful Persian nude models, and it is called IPC Website! Evolve Liberator Evolve………. Expand your horizons Liberator, Expand!


Here's the definition of erotic for you so we get this cleared up:

1 : of, devoted to, or tending to arouse sexual love or desire
2 : strongly marked or affected by sexual desire

So a woman bending over and sticking a finger in her anus would in fact fit that description (above) ;)

AhreemanX wrote:Don’t become another Iranian Old Fart Conservative Big Bellied Dodo!


I won't! But neither will I become so "liberal" that I will start accepting Pedohile Parties being formed! There's has to be a balance!

AhreemanX wrote:Say, would you like me to do a nude photo shoot with Ahura Yazdi for you?!


For your love of Allah! please don't.

AhreemanX wrote:Thanks for your input. But forget Kronor and stick with Dollars! We will need a lot of Dollars! As long as Iranian billionaires do not give a rats ass about the cause, then we need marketing and believe me, I am the master of marketing and business, but until this moment, I were not using my skills for IPC! Now, I am!


Marketing also involves an ethical standpoint.

Just my two cents, you're the boss.


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Postby Liberator » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:35 am

BTW just in case it wasn't clear from my reply above i'm not against erotic art or legal pornography i'm just saying that I do not believe it would be a positive contribution THE WAY it's presented on the site at the moment.


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Postby Ahreeman X » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:22 am

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Definitions:

Hard-Core Porn = Sexual intercourse where the penetrations of oral, frontal and/or anal is shown clearly visible. In this case the photographer/director leaves nothing to the imagination of the viewer.

Soft-Core Porn = Sexual intercourse where the penetrations of oral, frontal and/or anal is not clearly shown, and the camera captures them indirectly from angles which are obscured and not visible. In this method, the photographer/director leaves the intercourse to the imagination of the viewer.

Nude-Modeling = An artistic form of photography using nude models.

IPC Hot New Models Section = Poetry in Motion via usage of the nude human body. An Art Form.

Haven’t I told you:
Do not search Wikipedia or Britannica!
The only encyclopedia, which you need, is Encyclopedia Ahreemanica!

Do you comprehend the difference between the above definitions?
There is a difference between Pornography and Art.
And there is a difference between a pornographer and an artist photographer!

Evolve Liberator Evolve…………Expand your horizons Liberator, Expand …….
For God’s sake you live in Sweden, the center of sexual liberation!
Where do you live in Sweden? Under a Rock in Malmo Caves?

I am warning you! =;
Don’t make me use them as my next IPC’s Hot New Models
Just picture in your mind, how will they look like Fully Nude in my photo shoots!
I promise I’ll put a warning “+ 70” Sign @ the entry page!
Enjoy, you Ethical Nerd, Enjoy!

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Postby Liberator » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:06 am

XXX!!!

Hehe :badgrin:

Now you're just trying to escape from the ethical dilemma that i've put you in!

I just hope that you take my comments into consideration...

I'm not so sure if i want to use the "Encyclopedia Ahreemania" instead of other well-established and respected encyclopedia's -no offence! Try Merriam-Webster's dictionary, they've got an online page which is easy to use (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/)

You always have to bust out with those two pictures don't you! =P~


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Postby IPC » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:32 pm

Picture doesn't show, some sites don't allow linking. don't you know that?
hee hee :D

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Generally speaking, would you not link very large width photos in discussion topics? It stretches the width of the page and makes it hard to read by moving the navigation bar back and forth? You can post them in photo topics but not in discussion topics where people discuss issues. If you must post certain pictures in discussion topics, then post the link but not the picture.

When you find time, would you delete all the old links and link topics which don't work? If some topics are only links, then delete them. If links are parts of the topic, then replace them with new links and if you can't then delete only the links.


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Sneaky, Sneaky Dr. XXX

Postby Amir » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:50 am

I think Dr. XXX is trying to pull a fast one. [-X

As a public official once said: “We recognize pornography when we see it.” Now the good doctor wants to give certain definitions in order to avoid having a pornography stigma associated with that model’s display. Very sneaky, XXX, very sneaky. :---)

Now, not that I think there’s anything wrong with porn (Seinfeld style…sound familiar)? Far be it for me, a resident of sin city, to try to crack down on porn. It’s okay, and there are no hang ups here. But L-man makes a good point. The way it’s currently laid out on the home page, it is completely in your face.

Perhaps it might be more appropriate to have that model and others like her available to be viewed under a heading of “hot model” in another category similar to “horoscopes” etc, so that if anyone chooses to see them they can click to that link. That way, it is still available, but not in everyone’s face that comes to IPC. Unless of course, you’re trying to turn the place into IJC (Iranian Jende Club) – not that there’s anything wrong with that. :badgrin:

I think people don’t like to get porn when they aren’t trying to get porn almost as much as they hate not getting porn when they are trying to get porn.

The key to happiness is getting porn only when wanting it.

And don’t you come back and give a mumbo jumbo explanation about how it isn’t porn but “tasteful photography” depicting the beauty of the human body. Those pictures aren’t exactly like Michelangelo’s David. So don’t even try it, XXX. Who’s head are you trying to rub with “sheere?" We ain’t buying it, mister "misunderstood artist."

I love how you label it as interpretation of “Khayyam’s poetry.” What the hell is that? Sneaky, sneaky. You can call it apple pie, but it’s still porn. Plus, I don’t ever recall a passage of Khayyam’s that has anything to do with a lady spreading wide. Where are those from? Do you perhaps have access to Khayyam’s lost works of “Porno-Nameh?”

So take the advice and balance it out by keeping the pictures in the site, but making them more discrete, and only available upon request.

Finally, let me ask you a question. I understand that you are willing to compromise some ideal aspects of the club in order to generate revenue, which will serve a greater good and your ultimate goal. I’m down with that. To many extents, that is understandable. In relation to your horoscopes, I can certainly accept that. However, a line has to be drawn somewhere. As Doc Holiday said in Tomstone, “My hypocrisy only goes so far.”

So here is the question. If the IR signed up for advertising on your site and pasted a picture of Monkey-Nejad and Khamenei on your home page in exchange for ad revenue…would you do it?

If your answer is no, then you agree that a line does exist. It is only a question of where to place it.

Now, you have wasted enough of my time with this business. I could have been watching quality porn all this time… see what you made me do, Dr XXX?
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Postby Liberator » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:38 am

IJC (Iranian Jende Club)
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"I died of laughter" :badgrin:
Although i'm not much familiar with Khayyam's work I did find it strange to see his name being used in conjunction with a porno-shoot!!

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Postby Ahreeman X » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Dear Unappreciative Thugs:

:shs:

As long as yous “Thugs” have no artistic bones in your bodies and are hostile towards my fine art of photography and personification of Khayyam’s poetry, and as long as yous “Thugs” have not been evolved to the level to appreciate my art (I am a century ahead of liberated arts) {Damn, that sounded like Joe], then only to satisfy yous “Thugs”, I had lowered the level of “Hot New Model” section, 2 steps down, so it will not be smack right in the middle of your beady moral eyes! I hope yous “Thugs” are satisfied! You have just Devolved the Iranian Art, 2 steps (2 decades) back and behind!

Shame of yous “Thugs” for misunderstanding my artistic nature with pornography!

Dear Good Fellows Lib and Amir:

I loves you with or without (Art Appreciation)
But I hope you get it back (possibly from Tojo Mojoe)

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