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Postby yaninikolai » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:03 pm

Hiya Ahreeman,

I really enjoyed reading those last two posts. Its is very the a mother's upbringing upon a child does build the child's character.

I suppose you are right about the two sides arguing on cheesy forums, non of them seem to know what they are talking about though or what they are really fighting for. My worry has always been whether Iranians of the future would be stupid enough to hand themselves either back to Monarchy or much worse stay under the IRI (under the reformists), the sad thing is although I believe you are right; much of those I SEE no nothing and so therefore fight for blind causes that can one day cause devastation. However amongst the educated of people there is definitely potential for a strong leadership to educate those wanting a true secular democracy in Iran. Its possible I'm not looking in the right places.

Ahreeman, going on the point of how certain political and social elements are alien to our people. I just wanted to ask your opinion on something. Do you think that the majority of youths in Iran JUST want freedom of expression and other minor liberties (to keep their heads above water) or would you say the majority want complete change (overthrow of IRI altogether)? My fear (as I have written in an article just sent to you) is that Iranians will fall victim to the Reformists and send us back to theocracy and a prolonged life of the Islamic Republic. It almost seems either Iranians have turned naive/stupid, its the easiest way of getting the liberties they want (IRI gimmick to stay in power) or they do not care about Iran or Nationalism altogether and also do not care that Iran holds the stigma of the "Islamic Republic".

You also mentioned about Mujeheds (PMOI), I find this subject quite interesting because they have always been known to be Islamic Socialists however the party deny that they are either Islamists or Marxists (claiming Shah made this up). I am not quite sure what is their motivation to gain popularity with Iranians through Islam given the Islamist problem in Iran today. They claim they believe in a full separation of religion and state yet all there female members wear the Hijab. Their political wing NCRI, do have some non-PMOI members but they are COMPLETELY outnumbered. This is one party I am really confused by, the way I see it, they are not much different to the Reformists (if they are the Islamists I perceive them to be). My question is what do you fully make of them?


Your last post was brilliant and did effect me. On the subject of this and going by something you had mentioned earlier, are you a philosophy teacher/lecturer?

Thank You Ahreeman,


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Postby Ahreeman X » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:52 pm

Aryan:

Stop double posting and if you do, you can delete your own posts. Just wait and the post will go through, patience is a virtue. I have been deleting your double posts. You have no patience!

“you are right about the two sides arguing on cheesy forums, non of them seem to know what they are talking about though or what they are really fighting for.”


Exactly. Jujeh Monarchists call all non-monarchists as Hezbollah or Hezzie. Pro IRI kids call monarchists as SAVAKi. This bull shiite has been going on for 30 years. Non of them are truly knowing what they believe or what are they fighting for. Blind fights the blind and name-calling is all over the place.

“Do you think that the majority of youths in Iran JUST want freedom of expression and other minor liberties (to keep their heads above water) or would you say the majority want complete change (overthrow of IRI altogether)? My fear (as I have written in an article just sent to you) is that Iranians will fall victim to the Reformists and send us back to theocracy and a prolonged life of the Islamic Republic.”


If this was the case, then 8 years of Khatami and Reformists would do the job. I do not believe so. Youth are now perfectly aware of the nature of Reformists and they know that Reformists are only a block on the path of the true Nationalist Revolution.

Let me be honest with you,

Our problem is not lack of schooling, information or even education.

Our problem is lack of Morality, Courage and Balls!

You live in Europe and you saw what happened in Ukraine. 2 weeks of sit outs and workouts and the people overthrow the Russian Backed government and established a democratic government there. It is now 30 years that Iranians are trying to do the same! Why it hasn’t been working?

As I said before, today’s Iranians are not yesterday’s Persians. They lack Morality, Courage and Balls!

So the life goes by in IRI,

Rich gets richer
Poor gets poorer
And no existing middle class appears in the horizon!

I am not just throwing slogans to your face when I tell you:

Iranians by majority truly do not understand the concepts of Secularism, Democracy, Human Rights, Federalism, Free Speech and Individualism.

They have never truly experienced it. It takes a Moral Revolution and a Cultural Revolution to reprogram our youth’s brains. Forget about the older generation and senior citizens, they are goners and the old dogs will never change. We are trying to mold the youth’s brains and introduce them to their real rights that they should have in a free society.

They see no problem with theocracy because they never experienced secularism!
They see no problem with dictatorship because they never experienced freedom.

The majority of people in Iran want an end to IRI and not just an end to Fundamentalism, but the problem is that:

1. They do not have the morality and courage to do this on their own.
2. They are not clear on what to replace IRI. They assume anything is better than IRI, so they may fall for another type of dictatorship!
3. They are awaiting for America or Exiled Iranians or a Prince Charmin and Savior from the sky (maybe Mahdi) to save them from IRI.

So to be frank with you, our problem is not education, but our problem is “Kun Goshadi”, Laziness, no commitment and no guts.

We are trying to change the mentality and the standards of the Iranian people and revive the Persianhood in them.

“My question is what do you fully make of them? “


If Shah was wrong about everything, yet he was right about one thing! These people may not like to be branded as Marxist Islamists, but how else would you define them?

They are Islamists and they are Marxists. The complete NCRI consists of Marxists and Islamists and then Marxist Islamists (Mojahedin). It is the most bizarre type of ideology existing. PMOI is one large cult.

Let me hit you back with a question:

Do you really think that if hypothetically (fat chance), Mojahedin take over Iran, will they grant Democracy to the people? Will they hold true referendum and election? What if they lose the election (which surely they will)? Will they tolerate another party to rule Iran? Do you really think that the Rajavi Cult would free Iran and then just go away and allow democracy to be established? Wouldn’t Iran become another North Korea or Cuba but worst (because of the additional spice of Islamism)? Do you really think that women who wear hejab and do no shake hands with men, would allow secularism in Iran?

How about Monarchists? Hypothetically (again a fat chance) if Reza Pahlavi’s crew rules Iran, do you really think that democracy will be established? Just look at how monarchists conduct themselves in exile? Their radios, TVs, websites, and forums are exclusive and no one is allowed to speak but themselves, so do you really think that suddenly monarchists become democratic and establish democracy in Iran of tomorrow? Monarchists had never ever in the past (before 1979) nor in exile (after 1979) behaved democratically, then how on Earth would they do so if they take over Iran again?

You see, it is all bull shiite. Mojahed, monarchist, islamist, marxist, mosadeqist, all and all are full of it, self serving, petty dictators and far from respecting others’ ideology or rights. I had first hand experience with all of them and I still do.

We are in need of a Moral Revolution and a Cultural Revolution to teach Iranians the true concepts of:

Secularism, Democracy, Human Rights, Federalism, Free Speech and Individualism.

“are you a philosophy teacher/lecturer?”


No I am not but I am an amateur philosopher (because I do not do it professionally). The same as history, I have been studying philosophy since age 10.

As educators, we should not only teach curriculum to the youth but we must also teach them facts of life and this is where philosophy comes in. Unfortunately our educators are just looking at their jobs as a 9 to 5 time passers and punching clocks only to make some money and get the hell out of universities. This is why our youth are not getting motivated towards the higher education. We must make schooling exciting and get the students to get fixated on the subject. This cannot happen by the same old boring lectures only about the attended subject. In other words, majority of professors do not know how to teach and that is why college dropouts are becoming a larger number.

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Postby yaninikolai » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:39 pm

Hi Ahreeman,


Stop double posting and if you do, you can delete your own posts. Just wait and the post will go through, patience is a virtue. I have been deleting your double posts. You have no patience!


To be honest with you I only pressed the submit button once and waited (not a word of lie), I have no idea how I had double posts, maybe I did something without realizing but I'll check myself after I post next time (mind you I have edited my posts a lot if that has anythign to do with it).



If this was the case, then 8 years of Khatami and Reformists would do the job. I do not believe so. Youth are now perfectly aware of the nature of Reformists and they know that Reformists are only a block on the path of the true Nationalist Revolution.


Even amongst Reformists Iranians are going to see individual differences. They might very well say another Reformist like Khatami is a bad idea but then who is to say they won't fall for a trap like Shirin Ebadi or Zahra Eshragi, who use Women's right, children's rights and Shirin Ebadi's Noble Peace Prize as a gimmick for easier change (as oppose to effort to overthrow the IRI completely).



As I said before, today’s Iranians are not yesterday’s Persians. They lack Morality, Courage and Balls!


I agree, too many of them are scared and fear bloodshed but look where that has led them. A little bit of passion to fight for their country's future would make a whole lot of difference. They are all talk but no action and then many wonder why they are still in same the situation. Young Iranians seem to think that a war on Iran (from the West) would cause dramatic devastation, the thing is they would be making their own lives so much easier if they are willing to fight with the west or even better fight for themselves and start a revolution without the need for the West.

In war people die this is inevitable but to secure a better future for our country I don't see a problem with a bit of sacrifice. I believe a bit of bloodshed would bring to Iran what 30 years of all talk and no action from opposition groups hasn't. Young Iranians seem to think the government will just hand over a referendum if they keep protesting and demonstrating (THINK AGAIN!). Thats why the student uprising of 1999 led to nowhere and 6 years later they had Ahmadinejad.

If another revolution occurred people would be killed (not much different to war) but the difference is on one hand you have the revolution which Iranians pussy foot around and then you have on the other hand Iranians calling for Referendum in peaceful demonstrations, as if they actually believe it will get them somewhere. Nothing is going to happen through 'PEACE' this stupid 21st century concept has got to get out of peoples minds and they must start being a bit more realistic, this is why the Reformists have managed to get ground, they go on speaking of change through peace but this "peaceful movement" is lead by the IRI themselves.

If Iranians want to save themselves a few more lives then Revolution is the best solution, if Iranians go through Peaceful demonstrations they prolong the life of the IRI and more people would get killed and live in fear in the long run. If the West and Israel intervened many would die but the regime would be gone once and for all, it is a bit more bloodshed than a revolution but if Iranians themselves cannot do it then why shouldn't we look to the west to sort it out. Its once and over with, and the future of Iran progresses without further worries or need for bloodshed. Iran could also save themselves some casualties if they embraced the West and aid them through war.



Do you really think that if hypothetically (fat chance), Mojahedin take over Iran, will they grant Democracy to the people? Will they hold true referendum and election? What if they lose the election (which surely they will)? Will they tolerate another party to rule Iran? Do you really think that the Rajavi Cult would free Iran and then just go away and allow democracy to be established? Wouldn’t Iran become another North Korea or Cuba but worst (because of the additional spice of Islamism)? Do you really think that women who wear hejab and do no shake hands with men, would allow secularism in Iran?


My point exactly, Iranians do not want anything with an Islamic agenda after this abomination, I don't know what makes them think that their ideology would even have any sort of appeal. With a name like Mujahedin, they are asking not to have appeal. They have not done much to prove they are not Marxists either, which bares questioning to their true agenda; given they deny it. Even if they were to get hot tempered for Iranians not voting for them, attacks, coups or demonstrations are not going to have much impact on the majority who are dead against them.



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Postby Ahreeman X » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:57 am

Aryan:

“Even amongst Reformists Iranians are going to see individual differences. They might very well say another Reformist like Khatami is a bad idea but then who is to say they won't fall for a trap like Shirin Ebadi or Zahra Eshragi, who use Women's right, children's rights and Shirin Ebadi's Noble Peace Prize as a gimmick for easier change (as oppose to effort to overthrow the IRI completely).”


Excellent observation indeed. Iranians seem to believe that:

There is a good Islam and then a bad Islam (IRI)!
There are good Mullahs and then bad Mullahs!
There are good Reformists and then bad Reformists!

There is a justification for everything!

Today’s Iranians have become “Khereft”, superstitious, religious, backward and logically challenged!

30 years of IRI brainwash, had turned our people to illogical superstitious people.

Reformists and Reformism is far more dangerous than Fundamentalism, because at least with Fundamentalists, we know who the enemy is, but with Reformists, we are dealing with Wolves in Sheep clothing!

Shirin Ebadi, Akbar Ganji, Khatami brothers, Jahanshah Javid, and so many other rats posing as opposition, yet they are a fraction of the regime and a block to suppers the Nationalist Revolution of the masses of Iran.

Reformists and Reformism have become our modern day AIDS in the politics of Iran!

Their goal is to reform but safe keep the IRI.
Our goal is to destroy and end IRI.

There is no compromise with Reformists.
We must destroy and eliminate Reformism in all shapes and forms.

“I agree, too many of them are scared and fear bloodshed but look where that has led them. A little bit of passion to fight for their country's future would make a whole lot of difference. “


Cowardism and “Kun Goshadi” (laziness) has become a Neo Iranian Doctrine!

The two above doctrines are perfectly compatible with today’s Iranians. Our people by majority (for whatever reason) do not want to lift a finger.

This is why Reformists are taking advantage of the situation and preach “Pacifism” and pretend that Iranians are happy with IRI, but they are unhappy with Fundamentalism! Only if we could end Fundamentalism, then we would all be a happy Islamic nation!

This is the neo slogan from IRI Lobby in USA, IRI Media in USA and IRI Reformists in USA.

The so-called Intellectual Left seems to also align themselves with Reformists. This is why you have 1001 Piss (Peace) Movements but not a single Iranian Warrior wanting to end IRI.

You hear this Bull Shiite over and over that:

Oh yee, oh yee, Iranians will find a way to change things. We don’t need revolution or War. We don’t need American intervention and we don’t need Iranian Opposition WarMonger groups to wake Iranians up from their 30 years old sleep.

Reformists, Liberal Pacifists and Piss (Peace) Movement are the roots for the degeneration of our nation.

All of them are Anti Nationalism, Anti Persianhood and Anti Change.

If these bozos could reform and change anything than they would have done it in the past 30 years! Not that they are pro Status Quo but they condemn us for even trying to change the Status Quo!

No doubt, Reformists are far more dangerous than Fundamentalists.

A Fundamentalist would go in a hand to hand combat with me, but a Reformist sneaks beside me as a fellow opposition and stabs me in the back!


I would not piss on a reformist if I see him on fire.

The only Good Reformist is a Dead Reformist!

All of these guys are pro Pacifism, Maintaining Status Quo, Peace and Prolonging IRI’s life.

Reformist Hezbollah, Intellectual Left, Liberal Reformists, Liberal Pacifists, Jebhe Meli Iran, Tudeh Communist Party, Nehzat Azadi, Ebrahim Yazdi, Forouhars, Amir Entezams, Ganjis, Ebadis, Khatamis, Sissy Faggy Pahlaviist Pacifist Monarchists, etc. etc.

They are all Canker Soars from Third Degree Syphilis.


All of them are against Revolution, Armed Struggle, Liberation of Iran by USA, Liberation of Iran by Iranian Opposition, Any type of bloodshed, any type of Change or end to IRI.

These people and the 30 years of IRI have brain washed our people in to slaves and had documented the doctrine of “Kun Goshadi”.

Kun Goshads are now posing as Pacifists.

Pacifist in today’s Iran means Kun Goshad.

Perfect Example is that Kuni Reza Pahlavi and other Bache Kunis around him (Pahlaviist Monarchists) who want Referendums and they avoid any violence!

I am sorry to inform you that:

Yesterday’s Persian Warriors have turned to Today’s Iranian Liberal Pacifist Faggots!

“If Iranians want to save themselves a few more lives then Revolution is the best solution”


This is what we are doing: Building and preparing the young minds to save themselves by overthrow of IRI and by all means possible.

Pacifism = IRI Forever

How can you Free Iran without War?
How could Cyrus build Persian Empire without War?
How could George Washington build America without War?
How can you build Democracy without War?


These Sissy, Faggy, Lazy Ass, Syphilitic, Liberal Pacifist In-Tell-Egg-Chew-Alls assume that God will come down from the skies, intervene and hand them Democracy in Iran under the Islamic Balls!

“My point exactly, Iranians do not want anything with an Islamic agenda after this abomination, I don't know what makes them think that their ideology would even have any sort of appeal. With a name like Mujahedin, they are asking not to have appeal. “


Once this regime is over; Iranian New Generation by majority will piss on anything Islamic. Only fools like Mojahedin would assume that Lachak and Scarves of any color would attract the Iranian Youth.

How can sane people still cling to Islam and Marxism, two dead ideologies, and still call themselves Revolutionaries?!

Do you see how hard is our task and struggle?
Against all odds, we are committing to an Overall Makeover of the Iranian Psyche and Philosophy. We are changing the Iranian Thinking Style. We are Changing the Youth’s Thought Patterns. We are deprogramming IRI’s 30 years of brainwash.

This is why we are the most dangerous enemy to Islamic Republic of Iran.

IRI Banned and Filtered IPC Website
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/movement/IRI-IPC/index.htm

We are not Marxist Islamists to maintain Islam.
We are not Monarchists to maintain Islam.
We are not Reformists to maintain Islam.
We are not Liberal Pacifists to maintain Islam.
We do not make a Deal with Islam.


We are Hard Core Nationalist Revolutionaries and like a Wind and a Storm, we will blow out Islam out of Iranian Youth’s Brain Cells. We will create an Islam Free Iran.

We are not just an enemy to IRI, but we are The most important enemy to IRI who wants to cut its bloodline (Islam) and heart out!

Islam has always been bafraid of Nationalism because we mean business. This is why Kasravi and Aryamanesh have been murdered by Hezbollah and this is why Hezbollah had done their best to shut us up!

This is how we fight these pacifist chameleons and this is how we enlighten the youth:

Voices for Peace Iranian Video, a Hezbollah – IRI Production
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/vo ... /index.htm

We have no other choice if we want to survive our culture.

It all comes down to:

Iran or Islam?

Soon or late any thinking Iranian must decide!

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Postby yaninikolai » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:39 pm

Excellent observation indeed. Iranians seem to believe that:

There is a good Islam and then a bad Islam (IRI)!
There are good Mullahs and then bad Mullahs!
There are good Reformists and then bad Reformists!

There is a justification for everything!

Today’s Iranians have become “Khereft”, superstitious, religious, backward and logically challenged!

30 years of IRI brainwash, had turned our people to illogical superstitious people.


I have noticed this, even many people of my parents generation who oppose the Islamic Republic seem to have this strange belief that Islam truly is a "peaceful" religion and they are adamant that these "fanatics" are wrong. However would you believe me if I told you that every time I get into this topic and fire out every inch of my Islamic knowledge to these "knowledgeable" people (including some of my relatives), I get called a "racist" and am often told that I am "too young/naive/westernised to understand Islam".


Reformists and Reformism is far more dangerous than Fundamentalism, because at least with Fundamentalists, we know who the enemy is, but with Reformists, we are dealing with Wolves in Sheep clothing!


My point exactly. Reformism is still a Theocracy that leaves the door open to any corruption (i.e. the prevailing of those closest to Islamic institutions and Islamic hierarchy), manipulation (i.e. bending around "newly interpreted" laws to suit ones own personal beliefs) and violation to the prosperity of the people (i.e. Islamic principals forbidding Iranians to think beyond what Islam has sanctioned for them) and much more. Besides this the fact that Iran is still a Theocracy that abides by Islamic principals and is considered an "Islamic State" is bad enough, it kills our identity, it prioritizes our nation as Islamic before Iranian and it disconnects Iran from its culture and heritage.


The only Good Reformist is a Dead Reformist!


Couldn't agree with you more. When I brought up the conversation with a cousin of mine a few months back, I mentioned Shirin Ebadi and her devious plan to pro-long the IRI's life. He told me "Shirin Ebadi would never do a thing like that she fights for human rights. You don't understand the situation in Iran, she cannot say how she truly feels thats why she doesn't give too much away, but deep down she is anti-IRI". Of course the conversation led to an argument in which most of our friends (except one, who admitted her knowledge was limited on matter) supported him. I cannot make a compromise with the devil, Shirin Ebadi is the "Meditating Minion", her voice and her opinion have a massive impact on people she aims at because so many of them are young naive idiots. If she fights for the IRI's Reformists then she is nothing but an IRI lobbyist and she drags those who follow her into the same domain. It doesn't matter what the situation is like in Iran, if you do not fight against the regime whole heartedly then you won't receive anything whole heartedly and Iranians should not back a half hearted "fighter" which many are technically saying she is. Whatever the situation in Iran and whatever her true agenda apparently is, she is attracting people into the belief that an "Islamic Democracy" can work, therefore people will support her fight for the establishment of her agenda, not for the agenda of Secularism and Nationalism. With all that woman's passion to raise her voice for her agenda she could have fought for the democracy and secularized freedom for everyone and would have been a hero for doing so, but instead she fought for Islam and no matter what her true intentions are (which we know is for the IRI) she will always be a traitor, not a hero.

A true hero should not have to compromise with any of the fundamentalist groups. If it so happens that her plan is to bring them down from the inside, 1) She had the nerve to praise the IRI and claim to be on their side whether she meant it or not, 2) She has not done anything to show her true colours and 3) How can we trust her comrades to not try and re-establish the IRI whom she lied to about her agenda.

The problem is young Iranians hear or see something about a particular person and then suddenly they make their own fruitless conclusions about them, the same works in the opposite with Shah for example. I know for a fact these people know nothing about Shirin Ebadi or the Reformists. They seem to think a person who fights for "human rights" is suddenly the opposition to the Islamic Republic regime, and the majority of the young who have started to care less about politics couldn't care less what government runs Iran so long as they have their minor privileges. They do not understand politics or Theocracy for that matter and they then they believe they have a right to open their mouths for everyone else.


Yesterday’s Persian Warriors have turned to Today’s Iranian Liberal Pacifist Faggots!


Laziness is ONE of the problems here, the major one is pure ignorance. They care so much of their friends and families and their well being yet have no true passion for their country's well being and condition. It is people like this that have prevented anything truly magnificent happening in Iran in the past 30 years. It goes to show if everyone keeps thinking of innocents all the time then nothing gets solved and you carry on your miserable existence in Dictatorship.




We are not just an enemy to IRI, but we are The most important enemy to IRI who wants to cut its bloodline (Islam) and heart out


I couldn't agree more. Th sad thing is with more and more young people becoming anti-war pacifists and lazy the chances are that without our previous generation to boost us, nothing will come of our nations future but a "reformed" Islamic Republic. If we are to make change then war or revolution is necessary, we should be willing to sacrifice our lives for our nation and fight to the death for Iran's National Pride and destroy the Islamic Republic once and for all. Believe me I would be the first to sign up for bloody battle with these Hell-raisers.



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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:26 pm

Folks:

The discussion about Shah, his faults and blames, and monarchists has been already discussed and done with. We are now getting off the topic; therefore, I am moving the rest of this discussion to a new and very important topic:

Reformists Block the Change in Iran!
http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... php?p=6678

If anyone would like to continue discussing this topic about the Shah, then you are welcomed to keep it up, but for now, we are moving this discussion to the new topic stated above, because we are getting off the subject of Shah and moving on to a more important topic which is crucial for the events of the today’s Iran rather than 30 years ago!

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