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Postby Emam Kooni » Thu May 04, 2006 8:58 pm

Liberator wrote:(reference)

Please read:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... =4242#4242



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[b]Everyone knows that I never argue with the Liberator, since he is always on the riches side. But, this is the dood (VP) who shot a guy in the face, in duck hunting, and called it an accident and then tried to cover up, but the news leaked out by the press.

This is also the same dood who elaborately cooked the story justifying invasion of Iraq, nerve gas manufacturing, atomic ambition, big eminent danger, etc. (have U forgotten)?

[size=200]He is also known as, “Haliburtonâ€
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Postby Messenger of Allah » Fri May 05, 2006 2:25 pm

My dearest BK,

Are you still under the impression that Ahreeman is the same person as MOA? :rofl: Just because great minds think alike doesn’t mean they actually belong to the same person. You must go beyond your immediate instincts, and begin to accept facts. We are two completely different people. In fact, he is my arch-nemesis. He is Satan, and I work for Allah.

Is the mystery of MOA still a mystery for you? That mystery was soooooo "yesterday!" It was publicly exposed by that smart-mouth Ahreeman weeks ago. Where have you been, BK? :dozzz: I see news reaches the BK world very late. Tell me…are you aware that the Japanese lost in WWII? Are you aware that Rome fell in the fifth century? Or are you still waiting for the news reel? :brainwash:

Seriously, MOA’s identity has not been a secret for weeks, thanks to Mr. Bigmouth: :detective:

http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... .php?t=961


MOA suspects that you are confusing yourself :hammerhead: with the concept of the “id, ego, and super-ego.â€
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Postby Liberator » Tue May 09, 2006 2:10 pm

Reference to the Nepal issue that was raised in here but which should have been given its own thread since it strays from the main topic that we seek to address here.

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewto ... c1cfa#4532



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Postby Qambujiye » Tue May 30, 2006 11:30 am

Hamrazman:

Someone around here wrote something about my past Monarchist affiliations. It is true. I promise you, I would still be a Monarchist if amongst Monarchist ranks, we had Nader, Karim Khan, Reza Khan, Mohamad Reza and Shapour Bakhtiars. Unfortunately, today's Monarchists are by general, disgrace to the fundamentals of monarchy.

Before I stand in the same line with Reza Pahlavi, Aryo Pirouznia, Foroud Fouladvand, Mesbah Zadeh and his Kayhan of London, and Hypocrites of Los Angeles, I prefer to eat shit and die.

So yesterday's Monarchist Q is today's Nationalist Q.

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Postby Emam Kooni » Tue May 30, 2006 3:25 pm

Good news Machinegun-Q,

There is always Emam to include to the list of prospective Shah. Rest assure, I will make U the Spellchecker General. After all, with your IQ, U wouldn’t know the difference between King or a Queen (Q stands for low IQ).
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Postby Emperor_Akihito » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:31 pm

Hi im new here, personally i am for a secular monarchy. We should have a king that symbolizes Iranian history and perhaps work as a diplomat or host on diffrent events like opening the parlament. the ones wit power should be elected. But i dont want that Palhavi to be Irans King, good opposition leaders are in their nations. Kambodja is much harder and more dangeourus but their opposition leader fights in that country! Palhavi is a fricking coward and a traitor to Iran.
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Postby Ahreeman X » Wed Oct 25, 2006 5:17 pm

On Monarchy or Republic Debate

A Challenge


Liberator:



On the lighter point,
I am not an Anti-Monarchist. I am far from it. However, I state right here that Monarchists by majority are undemocratic, shallow, illiterate, emotional, defensive thugs! I met my share of Monarchists in Iran and in exile. You see, nothing is sacred for me. Khoda, Shah, Mihan does not fly with me! Science flies with me! That is why I do not get defensive and I barely have respect for emotional defensive people who get so uptight about Islam or Shah or Mosadeq or whatever else! Monarchists by average are brain drained defensive thugs who worship Shah! They even worship Dopey Reza Pahlavi! They are Mote’aseb. Ta’asob (Fanaticism) is not logical.The average Monarchists are people like Fouladvand, Prirouznia and similar folks.

Right here and right now I am challenging you to go, search and provide me with a:

“Free Thinking, Open Minded, Intellectual, knowledgeable, fun Monarchist with a sense of humor”

Whom we can represent as a valid Monarchist Scholar in IPC. Can you? Go bring one to IPC, will ya?

The ones I know are dead (Bakhtiar, Aryamanesh, Farokhzad, etc.)
And you or CA do not count, because you are IPC Operation.
We need an outsider to IPC.

I want you to bring me a true Constitutionalist Monarchist with brains, whom we can debate with. Someone fun and bright who will not get defensive and choke on his own penis like Pirouznia!

Can you do it?
Are you up for the challenge?
I do not give you a time limit, because I know Monarchists by majority are imbeciles!
I seen enough of these Piss Ant, illiterate, Hot Head, Soosool Monarchist children!
Go find me a Monarchist Scholar whom I can respect, relate to and is fun to debate with.
Go find me a worthy soul and prove me that there are still,

Great Monarchist Scholars

Amongst us!

Monarchist Giants and Gentlemen of honor are gone!
All we have now, are Swear-Rats and Sewer Rats!

Monarchists’ rep is down the drain!
Show me a Monarchist who can restore my faith in Monarchists!

And that is your challenge Liberator!


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Postby Liberator » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:53 pm

Dear Dr X,

You are straying from the main issue of this thread which is to discuss the feasability of two political structures - Monarchy and Republic.

Me bringing you a monarchist of those characteristics which you listed would not be difficult for me. Oldman from IU would fit those characteristics and he's a supporter of Hezbe Mashrooteye Iran (Constitutionalist Party of Iran); btw they should change their TAAZI name to Anjomane Mashrooteye Iran.

This thread is not to discuss private individuals. This thread is to discuss much "larger" issues.


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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:36 am

Liberator:


El Primero:
Still waiting …….. Khor Khor Khornaaaaas ……………. Z Z zzzzzzz zzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz…

Actually I have been waiting for 28 years …………… plus more ………………….

Still waiting for that Great Intellectual Monarchist Brain to sweep me off my feet!

The closest person you got in the Monarchist Movement, who has some brains, who can speak, who can write and who is a Theoretician, is my favorite monarchist, Daryoush Homayoun. Even Homayoun is not a pure monarchist, but a born again monarchist! A born again monarchist out of necessity, due to the fact that he did recognize that Nazism does not fly in Iran! Otherwise, Homayoun is basically an Ex SUMKA Nazi whom even lost his ankle due to terrorist bombing activities and now he walks Shal Shali and Cholaqi! So even Homayoun who can halfway make sense is not really a pure monarchist, but a Nazi in Monarchist clothing! I see more brains in Nazis than monarchists!

Every Monarchist around, is a thug, a Sha’ban Bi Mokh!
O where o where could my philosopher, freethinker monarchist be?
O where O where O where…………?
La didi da, La didi doo, La Di Da, La Di Doo..?

I always finger Daryoush Homayoun, but honestly, he is my favorite monarchist. I Iike Homayoun. The whole monarchist movement, and Homayoun is the only one I know, who can @ least communicate like a human being and without knives, stones, daggers, panjeh boks and qoldori! But unfortunately Homayoun can’t speak English worth Shiite!

One more time, go find me a:

“Free Thinking, Open Minded, Intellectual, knowledgeable, fun Monarchist with a sense of humor who can communicate in English”

I have been waiting for so long that grass grew under my feet!
Now there is hair growing under my feet!

Enqadar sabr kardam ke alaf zire paham sabz shod!
Hala dare pashm sabz misheh!

How many more decades I have to wait for this person?
How many more decades I have to wait for this prince charming on the white horse?
No time limits Lib!
Go find him please ………… ZZZZ ZZZZ zzzzz z z ……. Z …….z ……..z …..z …….


El Secundo:
If they change the Arabic Terms: “Hezb-e Mashrute-ye Iran” (CPI) to become Persian, then it will become: “Anjoman-e Padeshahi-ye Iran” (API)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now is that what you want?!

Then next you know, Homayoun needs to turn to another Fouladvand!
Don’t Doooooooooon’t! @ least Homayoun got communication skills and some intellect, but Fouladvand is a dope!
Paleeeeeeese don’t!


Libollah,
Stop playing word games and Farsi-Parsi games!
Start evolving the mind of the monarchists so they don’t end up as thugs like Pirouznia!
Start teaching them Democracy, Free Speech, Humanity and Political Rights for All!

….. And if you guys continue this word games, what will you do with Khalij-e Fars? Ha?
Would you call it “Ab-gah-e Pars”?
That sounds like an Aryan sperm dumping ground, where Neo Nazis, all gather every Friday (instead of mosque) and jerk off in a hole together, and then that hole becomes the:

“Ab-gah-e Pars”!

Give it up Lib, give it up!
Even if you clean up the Persian language from the Arabic words, yet you can never clean it up from Arabic rooted Persian words!

We have created Arabic rooted Persian words, which even Arabs do not know what the hell they are, and what do they mean?! We are more Arabs than Arabs are! We are more Muslim than Muslim are! The whole language is Fragged beyond repair!

Oh, what will we call Vagina?
Dool-gah-e Pishin?
And what will you call Ass?
Dool-gah-e Pasin?

You Ultra Nationalists, National Socialists and Aryo_Monarchists kill me! You simply kill me!

The words which you suggest to use are pathetically humorous, bizarre and makes no sense!

Check out these Internet terms:

Ruye, Miyane, Tar nama, Narm Afzar, Sakht Afzar, …………..

Sakht Afzar (Hardware) sounds like an erect hard dick!

Everytime I talk to Iran on the IM with my female engineer friend and she shoots some off shoot Persian terms like Sakht Afzar………… I almost cum behind the monitor! I tell her:
“Sakht Afzaret bedam baby!”

You guys kill me!
You and your Pure Persian terms created out of the rectum!


El Treso:
Lib,
Don’t disappoint me?
Don’t continue your Monarchist dance around the bush!
The Monarchist dance around the bush is similar to the Indian Rain Dance, except that by the end, instead of rain, daggers fall on the heads of the democratic forces!
Riot, Killer, Killeeeeeeeeer!

Yes Lib,
The issue “is” for you to find me the One! The One Monarchist, @ least One Monarchist to restore my faith in Monarchists! He or she who can @ least talk and knows & can say his A B C D ………., without screaming: “Javid Shah” and call me a Tudehi or a Mojahed!
Find me one Monarchist without Ta’asob, blind-faith, fanaticism, obsession and gang mentality!

Go find me one lousy,

“Free Thinking, Open Minded, Intellectual, knowledgeable, fun Monarchist with a sense of humor who can communicate in English”

then hold their hand, bring them over here, because afterall, this is Iran Politics Club, where a politician or a political enthusiast belongs! What good does it do for them to bull Shiite in a useless bull Shiite forum?! They belong in IPC to restore the masses faith into Monarchy! Yes, bring them over, help them prepare their first speech (I let you cheat a little), so they can do a grand entrance by a smashing speech! Now shoo shoo run along & find me that one lousy bright monarchist to restore my faith in monarchists!

El Quatro
The issue here is directly related to the grand topic, because the people who follow an ideology, do show the legitimacy and effectiveness of that ideology!

Still waiting …….. Khor Khor Khornaaaaas ……………. Z Z zzzzzzz zzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz…
Khor….Pof………..khor pof………….khor pof……khor….khor……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z z z


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Postby Liberator » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:03 am

Dr X,

If you expect me to bring you some superhuman flawless person to represent Monarchists this is not achievable; not only for proponents of the Monarchy but of any other system of governance.

We have to do with the political leaders we have and as a SOCIETY try to change and mold them as we would like them to be. If you see flaws in Mr Homayoun you as a respectable member of our society should join the "enlightened ones" (roshanfekran!!! real ones not idiots like Bazargan and co.!!!) in shaping our political leaders; which you to an extent have been doing by relaying those thoughts through your articles.

What's more important though than individuals, is for us to concentrate on institutions and more importantly frameworks. It will be the institutions/frameworks that will run our country in the future, with the help of individuals ofcourse, and we have to make sure that they clearly outline how the country should be run. With the help of safeguards those frameworks must be protected from being misused. Individuals will then have to work within the frameworks of the institution for the betterment of the country. A progressive, nationalistic, democratic, secular constitution is an essential part of that framework.

Every Monarchist around, is a thug, a Sha’ban Bi Mokh!


Again these kind of comments do not advance us a bit. No, not every monarchist around is a thug. We have many good/patriotic men and women who are monarchists and not thugs.

If they change the Arabic Terms: “Hezb-e Mashrute-ye Iran” (CPI) to become Persian, then it will become: “Anjoman-e Padeshahi-ye Iran” (API)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Really! That's even better!

Libollah,


HAHAHA!!! :badgrin:

Stop playing word games and Farsi-Parsi games!


It's not games. Why should we ignore our heritage including our language when there are substitutes to the Taazi influence which was imposed on our nation. If these are games then we might as well stop with other "games" like Norooz, Mehregan, Sadeh, Chaharshanbe Soori etc and just go along with Ashura, Tashura, Mashura, Lashura etc!

As for "Pirouznia and Elections". He had gathered outside a polling station where the terrorist Islamic Republic's supporters (!) would come to legitimize the regime - making them terrorist supporters! All he did was shout at these TERRORIST-SUPPORTERS how they have the nerve to support this bloodthirsty regime! This is not a thug. This is a man demanding justice! This is a man who is restraining himself from tearing these terrorist supporters apart at a time when their masters are killing his compatriots in Iran! He didn't touch a hair on their head or hinder them from voting for their terrorist leaders, but he sure did get their attention!

You yourself wrote:

The problem with Pirouznia, Reza Pahlavi and other pacifist fellow opposition members is that they are way too civilized in their tactics with Hizbollah!


http://www.iranpoliticsclub.net/club/vi ... =pirouznia

So he is a "civilized thug"?

As for him banning IPC from SMCCDI I don't know whether that's true or not and don't know the circumstances - must be my youthful amnesia. :doubt:

Start teaching them Democracy, Free Speech, Humanity and Political Rights for All!


This is what ALL of us should be doing. This isn't the task of one or a restricted group of people.

Even if you clean up the Persian language from the Arabic words, yet you can never clean it up from Arabic rooted Persian words!


What can be done and needs to be done must be done.


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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:39 pm

Liberator:

“Lashura”


Lashura = La + Shura
Lashura = La (in between) + Shura (washing)
Lashura = To wash in between!
Lashura = A special Ashura Shiite tradition, where chadori women unveil, open their legs and wash the residue and sweat from in between their thighs!



You have to add this one to the IPC Dictionary of alternative terms! Simply a masterpiece! This is yet another instantaneous definition by moi! You created the term and I had defined it! Another successful cooperation of the Liboxian (Lib + X) kind!

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Postby Liberator » Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:49 pm

AhreemanX wrote:
Liberator:

“Lashura”


Lashura = La + Shura
Lashura = La (in between) + Shura (washing)
Lashura = To wash in between!
Lashura = A special Ashura Shiite tradition, where chadori women unveil, open their legs and wash the residue and sweat from in between their thighs!



You have to add this one to the IPC Dictionary of alternative terms! Simply a masterpiece! This is yet another instantaneous definition by moi! You created the term and I had defined it! Another successful cooperation of the Liboxian (Lib + X) kind!

AX



HAHAHA glad to be of assistance!


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Postby farohar » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:25 pm

Hi, its been a long while since i've put anything up cause i've been busy... don't expect any of you to remember me either.
I don't have the patience to read 8 pages!? of your views but i was skimming over them and I think its great that there's more talking than insulting. AX your doing a great thing in running this club.

With regards to Monarchy vs. Republic I think that Iran's system will have to be very much indigenous to Iran. Monarchy worked relatively well for Iran from the times of Cyrus up until the fall of the Sassanians, and if it wasn't for Islam I believe Iran would be a flourishing Constitutional Monarchy (or a Republic) right now. I can't remember who was saying it, but Iran will never accept Western forms of government entirely, there needs to be some compromise. Our culture is different, Iranians have been told what to do since Cyrus himself, whether it was Kings or mullahs, Iranians are not used to truly deciding for themselves... yet.
In the future with education and an understanding of a relatively free society Iranians will be fit to choose their leaders, but should there be regime change in Iran, initially there needs to be a strong dictatorial leader to start from scratch and rebuild and reform as quickly as possible before detrimental opposition is given the chance to interfere. So I think to begin with, a dictator is necessary.
But after that I'm not really sure what would be better for Iran.

I also wanted to know how many of you actually believe that Democracy means true freedom. I personally think true freedom is almost unreachable and to argue that democracy means instant freedom is pretty far fetched

Last thing, sorry its so long :D , I wanted to know how many of you are even just trying to do something. We're all here and talking of change and thats a good start, but where are you going from here? In all of history's revolutions there have been a great deal of political thought before action, however those revolutions that didn't bring about true change usually turned out that way because the people thinking were too busy arguing and talking amongst eachother to realise that their opportunity for action had come and went.

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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:54 pm

Questions for Monarchists?

Few questions came to my mind in regards to this topic,
Hmmmmmmmmmm ........

Let’s say hypothetically there will be a referendum held in Iran, while IRI is in power (on a cold day in Hell!), and let’s also say that hypothetically masses of Iran will decide on the type of the government (Fat Chance!). And of course let us once more hypothetically say that majority of Iranians will vote for the Constitutional Monarchy (Monarchists’ Beautiful Dream); so then the masses have spoken and they want a Constitutional Monarchy (Aren’t Dreams Beautiful?!).

Now that we are done with the referendum and masses want a Constitutional Monarchy, then my questions begin:

* How will you decide on what Dynasty and what Shah to rule Iran? Will the future Monarch and his Dynasty be pre-determined before the referendums? If so, will they drop a petition each to nominate themselves as for the future Monarchs? If so, then still, how will you decide on who and what dynasty to be nominated as candidates to rule?

* If not, then will the people elect the new dynasty and the new monarch? If so, then will the people vote in an election for whom and from what dynasty to become the future monarch?

* The bottom line is that if people end up deciding on the dynasty and then the monarch in an election, then this will become an elected monarch (sort of like Council of Monarchy which elected Darius). So if people end up electing the Monarch and if the monarchs will be elected by the people, then Why Monarchy and why not Republic?

* Now lets say people will decide in a referendum (Constitutional Monarchy) and then people will decide in an election (The Dynasty and the Monarch), so will this be a one time deal and then this Dynasty will rule for eternity and this monarch will rule until he rots (like Elizabeth II)? Or will the people get to elect dynasty and the monarch every few years? And if so, then again, Why Monarchy? Why not Republic?

* Now let’s say that people will chose a lifetime monarch and a “Forever” Dynasty, then please explain to me that why and how on earth will Iranians chose a lifetime monarch and a “Forever” Dynasty, when for 8000 years, they have been used to each dynasty to use force to overpower another?

* What would guarantee that this Monarch (good or bad) will not set aside the constitution (like Reza Khan done in 1925) and start governing? What if the Constitutional Monarchist Government will become a disaster (like Ahmad Shah’s Government)? Will the Monarch still remain the head of state or will he take charge (like Reza Khan)?

* And what if the son or grandson of the next worthy monarch becomes a disaster (heredity of crown sucks!) and an embarrassment for the dynasty (like it happened in all dynasties before)? Shall the next monarch from next dynasty not use force to remove this dynasty? Or will the next candid monarch and his dynasty put a petition for Removal of the present Dynasty via elections (How Gay is That?)?????????

* I believe if Shapour, Nader and Reza Khan were alive, they would’ve choked on your Neo Suggested Monarchy for Iran! Presently they are shaking in their graves! What say you?

It is really hard for me to imagine a bunch of guys will put to vote on who to become the next monarch! Will we have a choice or will the bid go automatically to the Geisha (Gay Shah) RP? Can we choose the future monarch or will the Uneducated, Chubby Fat Boy whom never worked a day in his life, ends up ruling Iran?

Now do not get me wrong, I have nothing against Gays or Shahs, yet my problem is with the combination of the two: Geisha (Gay Shah)! I mean put a dress on Mr. Mom (RP) and everyone can mistake that feminine boy for an Iranian Transvestite!

I refuse to have a Geisha! No to Gay Shahs! Absolutely No to Gay Shahs! I want a powerful Shah, not a Gay Shah! Even if I have to use my Ahreemanic Veto Powers, I shall not allow the Gay Pahlavi to crown himself!

I mean I can go for:
The Strong Pahlavi (Reza Khan)
The Thoughtful Pahlavi (MRP)
The Quiet Pahlavi (Ali Reza)
The Empress Farah

I can even go for Farahnaz,

The Drugged Up Pahlavi
But never for
The Gay Pahlavi!

Absolutely not for The Geisha!

If I have to put a Geisha in the office, then I just put a dress on Farahnaz and grant her as the Empress! I mean who can tell the difference? RP or Farahnaz in a dress, just the same! Both are useless!

To Masses of Iran:

Make no mistakes, do not elect a Geisha!
No to Geisha, Say No to Geisha!
Not that there’s anything wrong with Gays or Shahs (Seinfeld)!
But the combo of the two (Geisha) is lethal!

But seriously, I would love Monarchists to clear the air on their suggested, future system of referendum and election? I am very unclear about the selection of the Dynasty and The Monarch! Please clarify??????????


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Postby Ahreeman X » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:43 am

Liberator:

I am going to respond to this post:

http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=1226

over here. I am going to use this post and its content as a base for my argument of pro Republic under this topic.

I did not respond to you until I would have seen the documentary. That is exactly the difference between not just you but Almost “All” Monarchists and myself!

You opened your mouth and made statements about this documentary without even seeing the full documentary. You read bits and pieces and saw bits and pieces and indeed you read critics on this documentary on “Juvenile Monarchist Chatrooms” such as Activist Chat; therefore, you made up your mind about this documentary before even seeing the film! Right away you rejected it and called it a propaganda pro IRI and Against Bush Doctrine.

What have I told you before?

Monarchists by majority are:

Dogmatic
Fanatical
Emotionally Influenced
Trigger Happy
Illogical
Symbol Worshiper
Closed Minded

Of course above characteristics also belong to Muslim and Marxists and “All” other “Totalitarian” Mentalities.

I, on other hand, held my breath and closed my mouth from responding to you, until, I personally had a chance to see the documentary first hand.

Why?
Because I am:

Not Dogmatic, but Pragmatic
Not Fanatical, but Substantial
Not Emotionally Influenced, but Motivated by Reasoning
Not Trigger Happy, but Rational
Not Illogical, but Logical
Not Symbol Worshiper, but Free Thinker
Not Closed Minded, but Open minded

I get all my information first and I observe an element first hand, before I jump the conclusion and release rhetorics.

You see,

Ultra Nationalists are stuck in 651 AD
Jebhe Meli Liberals are stuck in 1953
Monarchists are stuck in 1979
Mojaheds are stuck in 1980s
Marxists are stuck in 1990s
But I moved on ………….
I am already visioning the future and that is why,

I am pointing at the moon, yet you fail to see the moon, yet you are only able to see the tip of my finger! That’s as far as you can see!

Above groups are frozen in time and out of place and touch with today’s Iran and needs of the Iran of tomorrow.

Smell the coffee, Monarchy had died 28 years ago and Referendums will never happen in Iran. Eventually Iran will move towards democracy and eventually she will become a democratic country. This may take at least 70 years (same as USSR) since 1979. At most it will take 140 years (2 times amount that it took USSR) because Russians by majority were secular, progressive and educated but Iranians by majority are Religious, Fanatical and Superstitious.

Now I am trying to accelerate this time-period via a Moral Revolution!

One thing is sure, Monarchy is done with and failed its chance to make a change. Monarchy’s time has passed 28 years ago. The only people who do not still see this fact, are:

a) Juvenile Teenage monarchists born in Exile
b) Old Timer Imperial Officials in their senior years
c) Those Up-Position and Media Groups on CIA Payroll

All the above groups live in LaLa Land! They believe in a system which is dead and outdated. They believe in a system which already had failed in 1979. They think with their hearts rather than their minds! They live in their memories.

Now, back to the documentary,

Of course every thinking mind knows that Ted Koppel is a liberal, anti Bush doctrine, anti GOP, and pro Dialogue with IRI; however, these facts do not automatically trash the value of his documentary! Especially when one did not even see it first to release judgment by seeing both sides of the issue!

Actually, Ted Koppel has an agnenda, but to tell you the truth, I liked the documentary. Why?

Because I see educational value in all elements. I learn from an illiterate farmer same as I learn from a college scholar. I learn from a Mullah same as I learn from a Scientist. I gain information from everything. This is the difference between me and a Dogmatic Bias person such as you! And for God’s sake, you are one of the most bright minded, open minded, and free spirited Monarchists which I have ever seen! Set aside you, Aryamanesh, Farokhzad, Homayoun and a few others, the rest are Brain Drained!

Even,
Farokhzad was not a real monarchist, yet a socialist in disguise.
Homayoun is not a real Monarchist, yet a Nazi in disguise.

So that leaves us with you and Aryamanesh! 2 in a million (is there even one million Iranian Monarchists? I think I made a filthy lie!)! Wow, I love the odds of “You People” ruling Iran of the future!

Buddy, let me share a secret with you,

If people like Fouladvand, Pirouznia and Reza Pahlavi would rule the Iran of tomorrow (fat chance indeed), by golly Jee, let the Mullahs stay in power, cause Bull Shiite is Bull Shiite, it comes with Turbans and with Dress Ties, same Shiite!

You see, you did not even see the Rapers in the documentary because you did not even see the documentary but you allowed yourself to judge it! Yes there were Iranian Mullahs, Hezbollah, Revolutionary Guards, Reformists, Officials, Teachers, Film Makers, Students, Westoxicated, Dahati Villagers, South Tehran Poor People, Kids, Teens, Heavy Metalers, and Rapers interviewed and taped in this documentary.

Was it biased?
Hell yes!
There were Ganji, Ebtekar, Ayatollah Sanei, etc talking but not a single opposition figure!
But was it educational?
Of course! Because I got to gain more information about various groups which this film showed. And believe me, it covered a large variety of social classes inside Iran. And people were not afraid to talk, they spoke their minds. From the translator, to driver, to female photographer, to ……….. they spoke their minds. Believe me, at Shah’s time, people would not speak as freely as these people did in an interview with a foreign reporter.

I got to see how was life inside Iran. Of course it did not show miseries but it talked about miseries such as drug use and unemployment.

The least is that I had a chance to hear the other side of story, some pro IRI, some against, some pro Reforms, some pro Conservatives but still this documentary was about Iran and I believe, even you believe that we need to see and read everything and everybody and all sides.

The best Information and Intelligent Officer is the one who knows all sides of the story. That is what you should be.

Overall, I learned from this documentary. It wasn’t a good one but it wasn’t a bad one either. It was bias, it was liberal made, it was with an agenda but so are you and so am I.

This maybe the last of films by American reporters from inside Iran, because IRI practically called all his diplomats from UN and US and will not allow US reporters inside Iran. Well, maybe with exception of Sister Christiane Amanpour, because afterall She is a Sister of Zeynab!

So, what have we learned?

We need to learn from everybody and everything.
We should think first and open our mouths seconds.
We should be more rational and less emotional.
We should stop Dead Worship and move towards future.
We should be less dogmatic and more practical.

Evolve Liberator, Evolve …………………..

Yesterday is dead and gone, 70s are done with and so is Monarchy. No matter how much we both loved those days, yet I lived it (@ least 16 years) and you didn’t; however, those days will never come back. We should move on towards the future.

The Future is a Secular, Federal, Democratic Republic.

Monarchy had never worked in Iran, not in 8000 years! The only ting that worked, were the some worthy Shahs who did good for Iran. For each one good Shah there were 20 unworthy Shahs! Monarchy is a dysfunctional and outdated system of government. Heredity of crown is illogical.

It is time to let go of Pahlavi’s Dead Bones. There is no more Reza Khan to save the day. There is only The Malijak Gay Khan (Reza Pahlavi) and he cannot even save his own ASS from Yasmin’s Spatula Attack due to his laziness and chubbiness!

Give it up Lib, give it up and smell the coffee.
Or else,
I am still waiting for that one and only one lousy,

Free Thinking, Logical, Practical, Open Minded, Debater, Theoretician Monarchist who can also speaks English and can sweep me off my feet and revive my faith in Monarchy.

Where is he? Will you ever find him?
I can provide you with Dozens and hundreds of such Republicans, but can you even show me one? Are you sure there is even one out there who can argue, discuss and debate without screaming Javid Shah JAVID SHAAAAAAAAH and not accusing me of being a Mojahed or a Tudehi?

Still waiting Lib ………………………

And yes, it does matter because the number of people who believe in an ideology, do represent the fundamentals of that ideology!

If your monarchist numbers are all brain dead, emotional, irrational, loud mouth thugs, then doesn’t this represent the nature of the ideology of Monarchy which you believe in it?

Even your API Top officials are such. Just read their posts in IPC. Fouladvand’s right hand was here himself!

So,

Still waiting Lib…………..Khorrrrrrrrrrrr Pooooooooooof, Khor Pof, Khor Pof .Pooof………Khor….
ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz………………z………..z…………z…………….z

Oh where o where could that one bright Monarchist theoretician be?

Khorrrrrrr Khorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ………….Pof……………..pof…………….zzzzzz…………….zzzz………..z……….z……z………..z


Oh just woke up! Remembered something!

You still have to respond to my last post over here (Questions from Monarchists?) in regards to Referendums and Elections on how to choose a proper Dynasty and Shah! I am really trying to understand you illogical ideology?

Back to coma I go………..

Khor Pof, Khor……..Khhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooor KHHHHHHKKKKHHHought Gharach Ghorougheh (I think I did Boksovat waiting for that one lousy bright Monarchist to appear!)

It is like Re-appearance of Mahdi!
Can you see him?
Is there anybody out there (Pink Floyd)?

Back to Coma ……………. Khor Khor Khor Pof……..ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz….z…….z……z
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