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Who is Against US Invasion and Liberation of Iran?
3. Certain Opposition Persons and Groups. To Overzealous Iranian Opposition:
This is my favorite group because they are a legitimate part of the Iranian Opposition, they are good nationalists and lovers of Iran; however, they have flawed logic. “I am pointing at the Moon, but these people fail to see beyond the tip of their nose set aside the tip of my finger!"
Example: Some good willed but ill resulted members of the Iranian Opposition
The Reason: Unrealistic, illogical, overzealous, ultra nationalistic and ill fated reasons
The Logic: We don’t want American soldiers to set foot in Iran but we want the Iranian people to rise up against IRI and change the regime.
33 Plus Years of Struggle You are well intended but ill fated! So you want America to not invade and liberate Iran. You want Iranians to rise up, revolt and do a regime change in Iran! Now let me ask you a question? “What the hell do you think we have been doing for 33 years?” We, the Iranian opposition have been fighting IRI for 33 years and we have failed to over throw the regime. Why is that? This is why:
People such as I have been fighting IRI for 33 plus years and we have gotten nowhere! If Iranian opposition could have over thrown IRI, then they would have done it by now. We have tried for 33 years and we have failed!
Let’s be Honest with Each Other!Why don’t we be honest with each other? Why don’t we face the reality? Let’s face it; the silent majority has always been silent. They have never bothered to rise up, revolt or ever bother with politics. They are satisfied with their sheepish existence under the balls of Islam! They are Qane’ (Satisfied) with living like animals without any rights, humanity and individualism! They are happy with business as usual and their status quo lives under the theocracy. They wouldn’t dare to risk their lives for freedom. But freedom does not come cheap and it takes a lot of bloodshed and sacrifice to gain freedom. Allow me to quote myself:“Throughout the history of Iran, only a slim minority has been creating the Change. The Silent Majority has always been silent! Iranian Opposition, Student Movement, Democratic Movement and Revolutionaries have always been a slim minority who carried the weight of the others. Any change that has occurred to Iran was due to the efforts of this slim minority. Majority of Iranians were and are sheep!” Even in 2009, we the Iranian opposition inside and outside Iran were organizing and leading the revolts. Majority of the Iranian people never bothered to participate and that is why we got nowhere! Review the reality and stop lying to yourselves:
The Bottom Line So we have tried for 33 years to bring down the IRI and we have failed. In your opinion, how many more years should we try on our own? No …, verbal support of the Iranian Opposition will not bring down the IRI!
Obama Regime has been doing it for 3 years. Talk is cheap. No …, financial support of some Iranian Opposition groups will not bring down the IRI! Bush has been doing it for 8 years and it has failed. We have done it any which way we could. We have done armed struggle, we have done sit outs, social strikes, hunger strikes, boycotts, rallies, protests, call for referendums, reforms, riots, and we have done it in various colors, reds, blacks, blues, pinks, greens and even rainbow! We have done everything except a bloody revolution and you know perfectly that the majority of Iranians are way too comfort seeking (Kun Goshad) to rise up! “Everyone is against the regime but no one is willing to lift a finger to make a change! This is the story of Iranians!” So as the Iranian opposition members, we have come to a halt! Stagnation and despair, Persian style! So it all comes down to:
a) A Bloody Revolution
b) US Invasion and Liberation
Above reasons and analysis are why presently I support a US Invasion and Liberation of Iran. In the past, I did not used to support it but after 33 years of trying to make it on our own, I am now convinced that it is the only short term solution.
A Free, Federal, Secular, Democratic Iran will become a major global power. Only then we can sing nuclear songs! A responsible Iran can be nuclear but not IRI. This is why I say:
Yes to a Nuclear Iran.
No to a Nuclear IRI.
“For sometimes you have been asking the US government (your Republican buddies) to invade and liberate Iran.”
“On the other side of the coin there is a question with a very large question-mark in front of it. At what price? Do you think that the US is going to spend several trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of its troops get killed, liberate Iran and then hand it over to you in a silver platter and like a good old boy pull back and go home? Can you see the naïveté in your proposal?”
“That is correct we do not want American or any other foreign solder step foot on our soil.”
“We had the Arabs, the Turks, the Mongols, the Turkmen, etc. You name it we had it and in all of those cases we had terrible experiences with all occupiers. What makes you think that the US would be a better, gentler, and fatherly occupier?”
“Why do we need an occupier to begin with?”
“We are tired of being occupied.”
“If we are not able to free Iran on our own then we do not deserve it.”
“After all we the Iranian masses have put the mullahs in charge to begin with.”
“With U S invasion that you have been proposing; do you have any poppet in mind?”
“What is the matter with you Ahreeman?”
“Ahreeman Jan: You have been saying repeatedly that “in the last 33 years we have tried everything but it did not work”.”
“Well; this means that the “everything” that you have been trying for the last 33 years was not done properly. “
“If it is not done properly, then it will never work which means that we are not ready yet. We are not capable enough and consequently we do not deserve it.”
“You suggested calling upon another occupier to free us like we are a nation of imbeciles.”
“ Maybe we are.”
“Our people, under 900 years of occupation and another 500 years under dictatorial regimes have lost their self reliance and under the said circumstances they became too corrupt to be able to unite for an important cause.”
“You are a student of history; show me, throughout the human history, even only a single incident that the occupier has occupied a country for the sake of the occupied and did not desire to become the new master of the occupied people!”
“Salman Parsi”
“ the leader of the Mazdaki opposition group to the Sassanid dynasty, a patriotic man, with his wishful thinking, over 1,300 years ago had tried it. One big mistake by an intelligent and patriotic leader resulted in the annihilation of a great nation.”
“One big mistake which S. Parsi had realized afterword but it was too late and could not be corrected and still cannot be corrected. “
“Do you want to be another Salman Parsi?”
“Should we be learning from the passed mistakes? I will leave the answer to this question to you and to those who are like minded.”
“But there is a correct way to free Iran, without the help of any foreign invader, that has not been tried yet and that is unity.”
“But unity needs a leader”
“The silent majority is silent in every country of the world. It is not exclusive to Iran alone. Human, like all social mammals, has the herd mentality which is instilled into its gene. That is why in every mammalian society, including in all human societies, there are only a few leaders and the rest are all herds. So please do not blame the silent majority, they are not the one at fault. It is the minority leadership that should be taking the blame. It was the minority leaders that for the last 33 years were unable to devise a formula for freeing Iran.”
“In the first ten or so years of mullah rule the silent majority in Iran, who put Khomeini in charge, were still hopeful but after that, especially since mid 1990s, they have realized that accepting mullah leadership was a mistake and were ready for a new revolution but they did not see any leader or leaders yet to be able to count on. “
“Thousand even gave their lives but there was no leader to take them home. They even resorted to Mousavi who himself is an akhoond. Is that a desperation and longing for a leader or what! All opposition groups abroad that the silent majority could count on are fragmented with no organization to speak of. Without an organization and proper planning nothing can succeed.”
“In my memoir “Reza Shah vs. Mohammad Reza Shah”, in response to part of your questions, I mentioned that “in retrospect, in1979 revolution the mullah take-over was inevitable”. Please go to:
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/club/viewtopic.php?t=1629 ”
“In brief; my reasoning was that the progressive opposition groups to the Shah’s regime, favored by the silent majority, were not organized. They did not form a party ahead of the revolution to be ready for the take-over. In contrast the mullahs were the only opposition group, with clientele, that had the organization as well as the establishment (the mosques) for gatherings that had attracted the “fourth-class”, a new class of poor people created by the Shah’s corrupted and mismanaged regime.
After the mullahs, with the help of those fourth class citizens mentioned above, took the leadership in the early days of the revolution they had created a bandwagon which had forced all those who used to call themselves a leader to become followers (the herds) who had jumped on the “Wagon”. Ex-leaders such as: Karim Sanjabi, the leader of “Jebhe Melli”, Mohsen Pezeshkpour the leader of “Pan-Iranist Party”, Dariush Froohar the leader of the “Party of Melate Iran” etc. and as we know it now, later-on, they were all eliminated by the mullahs.”
“The recent history has demonstrated that a revolution can succeed without any foreign invasion. In 1979, the Shah’s regime had the fourth largest armed forces in the world but came down by popular uprisings, (the silent majority). In 2011 Mubarak of Egypt was overthrown after more than half century of dictatorial regime without any foreign invasion which has created a prospect of a free and independent Egypt.”
“As I mentioned above the reason for the failure of the oppositions in their 33 years of struggles against the IRI is the non-existence of a political party that could appeal to the “silent majority”. The only road to success is by energizing the silent majority and they are the only force that a patriotic person should and could rely on.
The way to do it is the creation of a political party that can meet the desires of that segment of the society. In that case there is no need for a full participation of the silent majority either, only a partial participation will do the job. The rest will remain silent as silent majority usually do. But they also do not rise against you either. They support you by staying silent which is a plus. But the real responsibility lies on the shoulders of a handful of thinkers with leadership qualities, or a coalition of thinkers and leaders.”
“As far back as 1998 I had suggested the creation of a political party complete with a charter popular with the majority of progressive minded people of Iran. Its charter should be so well written that it could be used as a ground work for writing the next constitution of Iran. In other word, the people should know what exactly they should be expecting before joining or advocating the movement. If the party is popular with the majority and even if only some percentage of the majority joins, there would not be any need for arm-struggle or any foreign power intervention for toppling an unpopular or better said a hated regime.”
“I named the party that I had suggested in 1998 “Sepeedjamegan”,”
“In 1998 I posted the charter of the Party of Sepeedjamegan on AOL chat-room but there were more mullahs on that chat room than oppositions and even the oppositions did not believe in creating a new political party so I shelved it.”
“The Charter of the Party of Sepeedjamegan:”
“7. Freedom of trade, travel, job, marriage, and assembly under the law.”
“8- Equality of genders in all matters.”
“11- The revival of the purity of the Persian language and an effort to revive the Iranian national prides.”
“12- Devise a program for revival of ancient Iranian culture based on “Andishe Nik, Koftare Nik, Kerdare Nik” free of any religious tone and an intense effort in abolition of the “culture of slavery” that exists in present day Iranian society by making perjury, bribery, and deceptions illegal and making flattery a taboo through education and arts including the usage of medias.”
“13- To hold the government accountable for provision and creation of job opportunities, basic healthcare for all, and a social security system for the elderly, disabled, sick, and poor.”
“14- Free and compulsory quality education from kindergarten through twelve.”
“17- Create a friendly relationship with all countries of the world based on equal partnership and a mutual respect for the sovereignty of the parties involved.
Note: Considering our bitter passed experiences with certain countries; a special treaty must be signed by those nations promising not to interfere in our internal affairs nor they should be having any espionage activities in Iran.”
“18- Maintain strong armed forces for the security of our borders with a clause that the Armed Forces are for the security of the country against the foreign invaders and can not be used for internal security against Iranian citizens.”
“20- Create a modern legal system by accepting a criminal and civil code which has a great regard for “due Process” and is based on human rights founded by Cyrus the Great.”
“21- Privatize almost all government owned industries and businesses.
Adapt a system of free market enterprise and promote commerce.
Create a comprehensive Short-term and Long-term industrialization program.
By combining a favorable business laws and tax incentives, promote and encourage the export industry particularly the export of home-made industrial and technological products. The goal should be to reduce the country’s heavy dependency on oil.”
“22- Change the origin of present day calendar to 2,500 BC when the Persian Empire was founded by Cyrus the Great or the date of formation of The Med Empire (the first Iranian empire), with the approval of the people through national referendum.”
“23- Replace the present day Arabic alphabet with Latin alphabet which would, not only facilitate our communications with most parts of the world but more importantly it will also facilitate the academic and scientific researches.”
“24- Vigorous campaign against corruptions, starting with all levels of the government offices.”
“The alternative to the Frouhar would be the lion without the “sword of Abolfazl” that the mullahs had added to it during the Qajar era.”
“PS. We need a constitution with unchangeable articles which will include the doctrine of great Iranian philosopher Zarathushtra specifically his principle of “Strive for Knowledge” which Iran, after 1,400 years of starvation in scientific areas is in dispread need of.”
“Mr. Ahreeman; a few weeks ago I suggested to you the creation of a forum named “Brainstorming for the future secular government of Iran” so the visitors of your website could participate and express their opinions and also present their own ideas if they wish doing so. Thank you for creating that forum but it would be a good idea if you would create a new category on the front page of the club so it would be more visible and easier to access. I will post the charter on the forum to see what kind of actions or reactions will be realized.”
“On the subject of nuclear Iran: In my opinion, we must pursue the program either under the IRI or the future democratic Iran. Please refer to my article titled “Is it necessary for Iran to acquire nuclear arsenal”. In that article I made a strong argument in favor of the program, even under the IRI. Please click here:”
I still believed that we the Iranian Opposition could take on IRI by ourselves and all we needed was support of the US Government.
In addition I must mention that of course I would have never asked or have had a dialogue with Obama Administration because:
a) During our best chance (2009 uprising), Obama did not back the Iranian opposition.
b) Obama Administration only backs Islamists to overthrow secular regimes (Egypt, Libya, Palestine, etc.)
Of course in the future (after 2012) I am planning to strongly advocate the Invasion / Liberation of Iran, in the media (IPC), throughout the Tea Party, inside GOP and amongst the future US Administration.
Obama’s Administration is stupid enough to get involved in all of these foreign wars and then pull out and not even ask for reimbursement of all the money that we spent in Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. And of course the moment they pull out, IRI Troops will move in Iraq and Afghanistan, thus the IRI 5th Column is already in Iraq and Afghanistan and indeed in Egypt and Libya. Unlike the common belief and the traditional conspiracy theory way of thought in Middle East which states that US is in Middle East for Oil, the reality is that Obama Administration is only spending money (our tax money) all over Middle East and not even asking for a dime of all that oil money in returns for liberation of all these nations! So your naïve scenario is already happening with the Obama Administration.
In addition, I do not want US to hand Iran to me. I only will have a role in the future Iranian Regime. Minister of Culture or Education will be fine, I am not doing this to run the future Iran. I could careless to be involved in politics. I could careless to rule Iran. I am not Reza Pahlavi or Massoud Rajavi in dreams of ruling Iran. The only thing I care about is a Cultural Revolution to end the reign of Islam in Iran.
With all due respect which I have for the Ex Imperial Officers (including yourself), you say that you do not want Americans to set foot in Iran but you are American yourself! Are you planning not to go back? If you did not believe in America, American Lifestyle and American Belief System, you would have not lived here since 1969!
Uno: Because US Constitution dictates for US to spread democracy in the globe by various means including invasion and liberation. A Democratic World is beneficial for US and all nations to freely trade and mutually benefit from.
Dos: Because of historical facts that we (United States of America) have invaded and liberated Germany, Japan, Italy, France and many other nations and afterwards, we even helped them financially to rebuild and only then when they were stable, we left. USA does not occupy and stay because USA is not a Conquering Empire but a Trade Empire. USA Exports Democracy so she can export Free Markets and Import Trade Benefits.
So are you comparing any primitive uncivilized tribe of Conquerors such as Arabs, the Turks, the Mongols and etc. with United States of America?! In that case, why aren’t you living in Mongolia, Saudi Arabia or Turkey? You are comparing the unique US Constitution to Quran and Laws of Genghiz Khan?
Then I suggest for Iranians to move their asses away from the Opium Dens and Vodka Bashes (Manqal O Vafur O Bazm-e Araq) and rise up! Maybe you do not deserve it because you have become a “Career Exilist”, retired comfortably after a life time of living “La Vida Loca” in the beautiful Southern California but those Badbakht O Goshneh Geda (Iranian Under Class) which I am fighting for do deserve to be free!
In addition people like me do also deserve to return to a free Iran. 33 years of exile is enough. Take me back to my home.
Maybe you did and a bunch of Gav O Guspand in the streets (due to Uninformity and Rot, as Dr. Aryamanesh said) did but not me! From day one I was opposing Islam and Islamic Revolution. I was never a Monarchist and I had fundamental disagreement with Monarchists but I despised Islam.
There will be no more puppets but only “Elected” leaders. Time for global puppets are over. I have explained about that this will be a mutual beneficial move for both US and Iran.
!I am pointing at the Moon, you are failing to see beyond the tip of my finger
“Americans are too uptight, they need to laugh more.”
“As the president, I will bring a sense of humor to the White House.”
“I am not an African American. I am a Black American.”
(Herman Cain, GOP Presidential Candidate)
“You are correct because none of the previous Democratic Party invaded any nation or overthrew a government of another nation. That part usually is done by the Republican Party”
“W. has done the most stupid thing of all US history in its foreign policy”
“Tea Party; you mean KKK out of the closet?”
“You are keep bashing Obama because you are a self declared ultra conservative republican attached to its T Party and you have learned from the republicans to twist the truth and put the blame on somebody else (Obama)”
“Obama tried to negotiate that treaty down but Iranian influence in Iraq, empowered by Bush, was too great and Obama had no choice but to withdraw under the provision of the said treaty.”
“Please read an article by Farid Zakaria on CNN.”
“ According to Zakaria, both the president and the prime minister of Iraq that Bush had put in power were refugees in Iran during the Saddam Hussein reign and both speak fluent Farsi. “
“So it is the Bush administration to blame not Obama.”
“No one can tell you that you should not have the ambition of ruling Iran.”
“But no mater who it is; if that person comes to power by the influence of a foreign government instead of the will of the people of Iran, that person must become a poppet no mater who that person will be. It is not going to be our choice.”
“In other word “America is #1 love it or leave it”. “
“This sounds a little KKK Party tone in it or should I say T Party tone.””
“There is no such thing in US constitution.”
“The good America that you have been talking about is the “A” Americans, the Democrats that you hate but are trying to score credit for all America for the Democrats’ good deeds.
But I am talking about the bad records of the “B” America, the Republicans which I dislike.”
“Here we go again with your T Party mentality “Love it or leave it”. My answer to you is that I like its constitution but who are you or anyone else to tell me that I should love it or leave it? I like it, I stay and I criticize it”
“and that is what the US constitution is all about and I wish one like this for Iran.”
“In the passed 20 years they did rise, not once but several times, and so many lost their lives in the streets and in jails and still losing”
“ but there was not any leader or leaders abroad to help them.”
“ You and other opposition groups have been pulling in different directions”
“ and when someone like me comes along and makes an impartial suggestion you start mocking me, making jokes, and picking on my typo mistakes”
“ then telling me that those “badbakhtha” in Iran need help and the help that you are prescribing is American bombs.”
“Now who is enjoying Sothern California the most and too comfortable to listen to a constructive suggestion?”
“ You and your millions or I with my fixed retirement chenderghaz?”
“You do not deserve it if someone else has to do your job for you.”
“Don’t blame me Mr.; I was here in the US from ten years prior to revolution as a fugitive from Shah’s regime completely inactive in politic of Iran. I left the Iran to "Shahollahies".”
“Who said so? Are you speaking in behalf of the US government? In case of the invasion, only the invader can dictate the policy. Don’t be naïve”
“I have seen that you made the above statement elsewhere on your site; it is immature and juvenile.”
“I think that we have exhausted our conversation so I will end it right here.”
“It seems like that you are opposed to it”
“Your argument about not purifying the Persian language is so ridiculous.”
“People like you who mock and ridicule to stop progress have been around in every period of human history.”
“One example of your stubbornness is that on your site you have spelled city of Neyshapour, “Neyshabour”. I explained to you that it must be “Pour” which means “son” in indo-Iranian languages and Neyshabour is the Arabized version of Neyshapour. (Shahpour = son of shah). Your answer was; this is how people of Iran spell it and that is how I write it, something in that line.”
“Well; I rest my case because there is no use arguing with you. It is a waste of time.
This is all I have to say about these subjects. If you do not want me to write for your site just let me know. They were all for free anyway.
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