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Iranian Transitional Government in Exile

Postby Liberator » Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:58 pm

Dear Dr X, and all other IPC members,

What are your thoughts on the creation of an "Iranian Transitional Government in Exile"?

Personally I believe it would be a good first step in mobilizing against the Islamic Regime occupying Iran. The need to unite the different opposition bodies that are all scattered and bring their representation in this governing council is URGENT. With all views represented in this transitional government and with consensus that their purpose is for REGIME CHANGE and for a free and fair REFERENDUM to take shape on the form of governing system Iranians wish for the future of their country, we can then move on to taking further actions. With this council being the "central authority" instead of having 50 different opposition groups saying 50 different things our compatriots will have a much easier time implementing/coordinating the necessary steps in removing the Islamic Regime occupying Iran once and for all. Also if a military wing to this council could be created, with special operations forces operating within Iran, it would hasten the eradication of this hell-sent regime.

Look forward to your insights.


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The Present Situation

Postby Ahreeman X » Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:16 am

Liberator:

Before we even talk about the Transitional Government, we need to get IPC back on her feet. Maybe you do not understand how bad is the situation. Let me explain to you. Before the yahoo episode, many of the IPC commands had left IPC, some for personal reasons, some for job situations, some for vacation & some got out of politics. Operations was run by a back up crew. Unfortunately, web & information back ups were not made. E-mail lists were not even backed up. During the months that IPC was off the air, all the communications has stoped. I was personally away for various reasons. As of now, I done what I could, Office sent an announcement to all the political parties, organizations & personalities. We also put announcements in Iranian forums. I am pondering on what else I can do! Heavy search & marketing is needed. Any other suggestions?

You do remember that we had over 1,100 members & over 500 viewrs. I do not even have the E-mail list to let everyone know that we are back on the air! all I have is E-mails of the major commands & players. I already E-mailed them but I cannot even get hold of them. Our members do not even know that we are back on the air!

So many members left us, communications disrupted, many left politics, many do not even know we are back up, many changed E-mails & IM info. Everything has been disrupted. Let me put it this way. 5 years ago I started IPC from scratch. On the first step, 3 members & then the second wave of 6 members joined in & we took it off the ground. Today, I am startng everything from scratch. This is the situation:

Commands of Tehran, Mashhad, Esfahan, Tabriz & Shiraz are gone.
Commands of web, club & political operations are gone.
Commands of External, Internal & Liaison Teams are gone.
E-mail list of over 1000 members is gone.
I cannot even locate our writers, graphic artists, animators, cartoonists & columnists!
I cannot even locate my close circle of comrades.
I only have a skeleton crew to run everything & even they are part time.
I basically have nothing to work with!

These months of gaps between the communications, the departure of key members, loss of E-mails, changes of members informations, & ofcourse mostly the sabotague of Hizbollah & liberals @ yahoo, basicaly destroyed us. One day out of the blue, yahoo just deleted over 5 years of work! They did not even bother to give a notice! Yahoo destroyed us. I am trying to get back to business, start from scratch & rebuild IPC. Holpefuly, no one got arrested in Iran, but so far I only assume that it will be months to even get a fraction of our old members back here. No one even knows that we are back on the air or we exist! They do not know what happened to everything!

We have to rebuild the website, the club, the operations, the memberships, the readers, the sympathizers, the E-mails, the crew, the writers, the artists, & basically we need to get everyone back & even get new people in here. Look @ it this way:

Islamic Republic basically destroyed us & got our operations totally crippled for months. Now we are starting from nothing to get back to the glory of the past or even a fraction of it.

Personally, I believe it will be months until we let everyone know that we even exist & then we need to get them back! It will be a long time to get a fraction of our old members back. But I am destined to rebuild IPC. I refuse to give in to a bunch of Islamist thugs of SAVAMA, IRI's Information Office & Hizbollah. I will not give them the pleasure of shutting us up. But this time, once we rebuild this place, we need to make sure to keep backups of everything. I make sure that I will personally supervise everything. I mean for God sake, we don't even have our E-mail list to let our members know that we are back & we do exist! This is a disaster & you are asking me about Transitional Government?!

Step by step my friend. Let us revive IPC first. Then we will revive the opposition. Then we will get back to business to get the opposition together. The whole opposition itself is also in shambles! Then you can ask me of my opinion on creating a transitional government. As of now, Islamists are celebrating our "Near Death Experience". Let us get ourselves out of the hospital first, & then we talk transitional government. But I tell you one thing. We will not give up. No sir, never ever forever ............... Struggle will go on forever. I promise you that. Back to basics my friend, back to basics indeed!

Battle is lost but we will win the WAR.

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Postby Liberator » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:30 am

Dr X-jaan,

The impact was greater than I had thought! If there is anything that I can do to help speed up the process in any shape or form please don't hesitate to contact me.

More power to the Resistance.


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Few Issues

Postby Ahreeman X » Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:53 pm

Few Issues

Liberator:

About your recent E-mail on IRI's Most Wanted, thanks for the 2 new ones. Have in mind that some of our friends have left politics & I know for sure that they have left politics. An example would be Cat. However, many of our friends are MIA (Missing In Action) & I have no idea where they are! The interruption of some months in broadcase of the IPC Club has caused a lack of communication, also I have been gone away for a while. Once we started the New IPC Club, I could not locate many of our old comrades. For instance, LOP is in charge of The IPC Productions & that means, he should input the 2 new IRI criminals in the IRI's Most Wanted Graphics. He needs to update the pages, because for instance Khalkhali is dead & we can replace him with one of the new ones & put the other new one instead of a person with no picture. I believe this is better than to add 2 new ones to the Top 55 Deck. Either way, he needs to get back, contact me & then take over the task.

I have access to the Productions pages & I can look for the user/passwords & do it myself but I never interfere with different sections of the operation, while someone else is in charge of them. As far as I am concern, LOP is still in charge of the productions & until he personally tells me that he quits politics & he is out of the picture, then I can only assume that he is MIA & eventually he will show up.

Many others are MIA & I have no idea where they are! Many do not even know about the grand opening of the New IPC Club! However, until I hear from them, I can only assume that our communication is interrupted & they will be back. Once they tell me that they are out of politics & out of the picture, then I can move on & replace them & give their responsibilities to someone else.

For instance, it would be great for LOP & Xerxes to do a joint project but who knows where LOP is?! Allah only knows! Say Liberator, why don't you call Allah for me? Don't call collect, let me give you a quarter, does it take more than a quarter to dial Allah? While you are @ it, please find out if LOP have become a Born Again Muslim? Maybe Islamists bribed him with 72 virgins & rivers of Milk & Honey plus fine regional food!

So far the only person who contacted me & informed me that she is out of the picture & politics, is Queen (Elizabeth). She told me that she left politics for SEX!

Now I hope we can locate our old members or @ least get the clearance that they are out for good so we can get on with our plans & programs.

About your question on my Avatar, there is really no story yet also a long story! Basically without going to details, it is I & my antorage. My antorage follows me around the world. They are like my bodyguards. I'm not kidding, do not let the feminin looks fools you. They are Feme Fatals! 4 of us are old friends, we go back a long time. This photo has sentimental values to us. we were some Hell Raisers. Well still are or try to be!

About Transitional Government. First let me hear your thoughts?

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Postby Liberator » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:25 pm

Dear Dr X,

Thank you for your reply. I understand why you are hesitant in doing what the managers for each department should be doing, and it's also correct that the "IRI 55 Most Wanted" needs updating.

For instance, it would be great for LOP & Xerxes to do a joint project but who knows where LOP is?! Allah only knows! Say Liberator, why don't you call Allah for me? Don't call collect, let me give you a quarter, does it take more than a quarter to dial Allah? While you are @ it, please find out if LOP have become a Born Again Muslim? Maybe Islamists bribed him with 72 virgins & rivers of Milk & Honey plus fine regional food!


Oh, see I can't call Allah :evil: on the phone because I first have to go through Imam Khomeini :LaughingDevil: or Imam Khameini :devil: to get a hold of him since they are his representatives on this planet!


So far the only person who contacted me & informed me that she is out of the picture & politics, is Queen (Elizabeth). She told me that she left politics for SEX!


More sex-power (drive) to her! =D>

About your question on my Avatar, there is really no story yet also a long story! Basically without going to details, it is I & my antorage. My antorage follows me around the world. They are like my bodyguards. I'm not kidding, do not let the feminin looks fools you. They are Feme Fatals! 4 of us are old friends, we go back a long time. This photo has sentimental values to us. we were some Hell Raisers. Well still are or try to be!


:) More power to you my friend.



-The Transitional Government-

My basic thoughts on a Transitional Government are that:
The Transitional Government (T.G.) is needed to fill the gap in the period after the Islamic Republic's downfall until a free and fair National Referendum is fit to take place in order to prevent anarchy and self-serving bodies to take over the country. Positions in this council/government should be open to all democratic parties opposing the current SHIITE THEOCRACY occupying Iran. Since there is no feasable way to elect the members that will serve on this council they shall be elected based on competency. Competent individuals both from abroad and inside Iran can serve on this council. The T.G. can be based in the U.S. or Europe were it will coordinate its activities and efforts. I do believe that as a neutral Iranian opposition figure, Prince Reza Pahlavi or Shahbanou Farah Pahlavi should head this government even if it's just as a symbolic unifying figure, neither of them are campaigning for any party (Republican, Constitutional Monarchist, Socialist, Communist, Islamist etc). Shahzadeh and Shahbanou both have concentrated their efforts to see the ending of the reign of terror in Iran and for freedom, democracy, and secularism to replace it. Finally the T.G. shall cease to exist once a legitimate Iranian government has been elected under a free and fair National Referendum under international supervision.

I would be glad to hear your and other compatriots' comments and ideas upon the Transitional Government.

MORE POWER TO THE IRANIAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS ON THE FRONTLINES!

LET FREEDOM REIGN!



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Questions & Pointers

Postby Ahreeman X » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:25 am

Liberator:

First I want to thank you for your devotion to the cause.

Questions:

I. Opposition inside Iran are underground, fighting the regime (eg: Comrade Ashraf Dehqani, Lioness, head of Fedayin Guerrillas). What you see in surface, are mostly "Whores of Opposition" pretending to be opposition but Reformists Meli Mazhabi in heart (eg: Jebhe Kachalan-e Qeyr-e Melli). So stating this, don't you think your theory on involvement of inside Opposition in Transitional Government is not possible? Simply because if they participate from inside, then they have to surface & that means they will get arrested or killed!?

PS: I do not consider Reformists in Hotel Jails of the regime as opposition. Akbar Ganji, Amir Entezam, etc. are not opposition. They are lap dogs of the Islamic Regime whom now their owners (Mullahs) stopped loving them & replaced them with younger & more playful puppies!

So what say you?

II. How do you suggest to get the scattered opposition to accept RP or Empress as head of TG? These major groups refuse to even sit on the same table with each other! How will you get NCRI, Republicans, Marxists/Freelance Fedayin, Nationalist Right/National Socialists & Monarchists on the same table, furthermore to accept RP or Empress as the lead? What can you offer for us to do that we (operations) have not done so far (for 5 years) to get all these groups in a unified front?

III. What makes you believe that this TG will have validity amongst the masses inside or outside? As you know according to Monarchists, they already elected a King (Reza Shah-e Dovom) for Iran & according to Mojaheds, they already elected a president (Maryam Rajavi) for Iran but the point is that both groups & other groups do not have the blessing & backing of a great number of Iranians inside! Iranians inside, simply do not trust any exiled based opposition leadership, may it be RP or MR or etc. They simply have no confidence in them. And I am not just saying this, but according to many random contacts all over Iran on weekly basis (Video Netmeeting, Voice Chat, IM) I get informed by their opinion that they simply do not believe to make the sacrifice & then these exilists take over the power. Majority of Iranians inside, specifically the youth are opposing the regime so that makes them the opposition, but they are not Monarchist, Mojahed, Marxist or etc.

Exiled based groups have little support inside. Insiders' trust does not come easy! How are you going to achieve that?

IV. What steps will you take or suggest for the insiders to even have the confidence to get up, stand up & fight for their rights? They are not willing to make an uprising? They are not familiar with the term "Revolution"! It is out of their vocabulary!

Culture of Captivity

Once you enslave the people for decades, such as 25 years, then the people learn to be slaves & too busy with their daily tasks of making ends meat or party lifestyle or depressions & addictions to even stand up & commit to a revolution to change the regime. It is a known fact that:

* Keep Iranians hungry & they will never commit to a revolution (Today).
* Keep Iranians well fed & they will commit to a revolution (1979).


How will you go about changing this tradition? How will you go about breaking the chains to The "Culture of Captivity" created by Islam? This will be the primary step before even creating the TG! So whats the deal?

These 4 items right away came to my mind. Inquiring minds love to know your input. So What's The Deal?

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Once again, I encourage others to also participate in this discussion. You are forced to be silent inside Iran, yet here (cyberspace), you are free to enlighten us with your input.

"Khafe-khan ra beshkanid va bolbol zabani konid"!

Now I will leave you with an Economical Suggestion & a Little Poem!

An Economic Suggestion:

Mullah's Turbans can be used as Bed-pans (in hospitals) for emergency urination purposes in times of shortage of proper tools (Lagan)! And tell me if that is not the most constructive solution that you have ever heard for making a useful element out of a useless element?! Ya Allah!

A Little Poem:

Poet says:
You haven't been Hungry to forget about Love!
And you haven't been in need of a Toilet to Unload,
to forget about both (Hunger & Love)!

Translacione:
Goshnegi nakeshidi ke Asheqi az saret bere!
Tanget nagerefte ke har do az saret bere!


Hasta La Vista Baby

Ezat Ziyad,

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Re: Questions & Pointers

Postby Liberator » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:19 pm

Dear Dr X,

I.) When I say opposition inside Iran I of course do not include "IRI reformists" sitting in hotel-jail-rooms, I mean real oppositionists like Mohammadi brothers, Fakhravar, Batebi...and many more that I don't even know of.

Members of the TG who currently reside in Iran will have to leave Iran to participate in the TG. They will keep their contacts and continue their operations in a much freer environment and in a much more efficient way. Members will be economists, politicians, military individuals, culturally knowledgable personalities, businessmen, accountants, lawyers, doctors, strippers! whoever has knowledge relevant to the problems that need to be tackled. The revolutionary leaders will remain in Iran, they are the frontline commanders who will lead the people to victory. (btw the strippers comment was a joke or could they play an important role as well :-k )

Another question to be answered is how many people should serve on the TG?



II.) Lets hear their reasons for not accepting Reza Pahlavi or Shahbanou to head this government? Aren't they neutral personalities only advocating for a free, democratic, and secular Iran? unlike others? I mean if this "opposition" cannot comprehend this simple kind of facts then there will never be any "unifying"! You could ask the same question for how will they recognize to work with each other! It all comes down to one unifying factor which is IRAN. Do they care for Iran to be free? If yes are they ready to work with other opposition groups to come to that collective goal? They need to understand that alone they won't be able to achieve anything but a little SQUEAK here or there. They also need to understand that the TG is temporary! This is not the national government of Iran, it's temporary to fill in the gap, to perform the essential duties until a national referendum can take place. Everyone will have equal powers on the TG so what are they afraid of? Everyone will have equal representation. I cannot see what is keeping them from creating the TG right now! It must be the detrimental ill Iranian mentality which I fortunately have not inherited! If the "opposition" can't agree on the above then there is no chance for a "broad-representative" TG to be formed.


III.) Who is going to replace the gap once the IRI falls? Will Iranians have a choice but to accept this TG? If it's a "broad-representative" TG then there should be no problem. The duties of the TG are not "ideological" or party oriented they are to maintain security in Iran and to perform the essential duties to keep the country running! Also once again people on the inside and outside need to understand that this is TEMPORARY it won't be a government that will last for 4 years of a lifetime!

When you say monarchists have already elected Reza Pahlavi as their King you are saying that their VOTES will go for a Constitutional Monarchy not that they will impose him as the country's Monarch. The same goes for the MKO. The true leader/system for the future of Iran will be elected in a national referendum, it doesn't matter what people THINK FOR THEMSELVES now it's what the RESULTS of the National Referendum that will be binding. If the results are that the majority prefer a Constitutional Monarchy with Reza Pahlavi as the Monarch that is binding, or another Islamo-Marxist Republic under Maryam and Masood Rajavi well congratulations!!!! Do you see what I mean? We will never be able to fully trust each other, at least not in the near future, but the important thing is that there is a representative TG! Afterwards the results of the National Referendum will determine the future of the country.

I don't think any of us can come to conclusions about which group the majority of people inside Iran support or don't support.


IV.) Massive acts of civil disobedience and violent acts is what I propose. I don't understan what you mean when you say that people are un-familar with the term "revolution" ?


Looking forward to your reply.

More power to our compatriots inside Iran fighting this regime on a daily basis!


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TG

Postby Ahreeman X » Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:04 pm

Liberator:

Good thoughts indeed.

"I.) When I say opposition inside Iran I of course do not include "IRI reformists" sitting in hotel-jail-rooms, I mean real oppositionists like Mohammadi brothers, Fakhravar, Batebi...and many more that I don't even know of.

Members of the TG who currently reside in Iran will have to leave Iran to participate in the TG. They will keep their contacts and continue their operations in a much freer environment and in a much more efficient way. Members will be economists, politicians, military individuals, culturally knowledgeable personalities, businessmen, accountants, lawyers, doctors, strippers! whoever has knowledge relevant to the problems that need to be tackled. The revolutionary leaders will remain in Iran, they are the frontline commanders who will lead the people to victory. (btw the strippers comment was a joke or could they play an important role as well )

Another question to be answered is how many people should serve on the TG?"


I. I see. I have no problem with devoted activists such as Batebi to participate in Transitional Government; however, they might not be qualified to perform a role as a minister for the TG! We have activists inside who are relevant to the movement but this does not necessarily makes them good choice for a provisional position! In contradiction, the main revolutionary leaders make good ministers but they cannot join the TG outside! Overall, I see your point & overall, I believe we can select a group of insiderss with blessing of the masses inside, to join the TG. I agree with you in general. In regards to your remark on Strippers, we can always add a new ministry. W created a new department of Homeland Security. Why shouldn't we abe to create the new Ministry of "Bang & Salavat"?! What this ministry's official will do is to Bang & then read some Salavat! It will be the opposite of Siqeh (Riot)!

There should be only a limited number of people in TG. There should be The Head of Provisional Government & then the Provisional Ministers an equal number to the real number of ministers in an actual cabinet of Iran. To have a huge number of people is useless. This is not s Senate or House of Representative! Only key figures representing all major parties.

What do you think on the number of TG representatives?

"II.) Lets hear their reasons for not accepting Reza Pahlavi or Shahbanou to head this government? Aren't they neutral personalities only advocating for a free, democratic, and secular Iran? unlike others? I mean if this "opposition" cannot comprehend this simple kind of facts then there will never be any "unifying"! You could ask the same question for how will they recognize to work with each other! It all comes down to one unifying factor which is IRAN. Do they care for Iran to be free? If yes are they ready to work with other opposition groups to come to that collective goal? They need to understand that alone they won't be able to achieve anything but a little SQUEAK here or there. They also need to understand that the TG is temporary! This is not the national government of Iran, it's temporary to fill in the gap, to perform the essential duties until a national referendum can take place. Everyone will have equal powers on the TG so what are they afraid of? Everyone will have equal representation. I cannot see what is keeping them from creating the TG right now! It must be the detrimental ill Iranian mentality which I fortunately have not inherited! If the "opposition" can't agree on the above then there is no chance for a "broad-representative" TG to be formed."


II. The reason have been heard hundreds of times in attempt gatherings, radio debates, personal debates, etc. The wounds are too deep, the conflicts are too large & the egos fly high! A simple student such as yourself (uninfected with the Iranian Disease) can comprehend that "Iran" comes first & "Ideology" comes second but the opposition leaders do not comprehend this fact.

In addition, my personal opinion is that it is a much better & larger chance to sell The Empress as the Head of TG than Reza Pahlavi. Theres a much bigger chance of different groups accepting her due to her history, background, political life, works done in Iran & abroad.

To be the head of TG, you must have a political resume, experience in leadership, a history of struggle & qualifications (check my article on why RP cannot lead the opposition). RP has non of the above. If you cannot sell RP to me, who is a Imperial Regime's insider, then how can you sell him as head of TG to a Mojahed, a Marxist, a Republican, etc?

To have a good heart as RP does, is not good enough. Actually, I believe RP would have had a better chance if he had created a political party & led one. That meant experience.

You cannot have the son of Shah, a believer in Monarchy as the head of the TG. Different groups, excluding Monarchists will not go for that. Personally I have no problem with the future permanent elected regime of Iran to be Monarchy or Republic but The head of TG must have much larger credentials, history of political activity, leadership capability & nuturality than Reza Pahlavi. You must have a Popular Character (to all groups) and/or a Father or Mother figure to the masses for different groups & their leaderships to accept. Reza Pahlavi is not that figure. Empress is much more acceptable for this position in the provisional government. But overall, as you see, the opposition will not unite to create a provisional government in exile. This is the problem.

Now, knowing these issues, who will you find as the head of TG?

"III.) Who is going to replace the gap once the IRI falls? Will Iranians have a choice but to accept this TG? If it's a "broad-representative" TG then there should be no problem. The duties of the TG are not "ideological" or party oriented they are to maintain security in Iran and to perform the essential duties to keep the country running! Also once again people on the inside and outside need to understand that this is TEMPORARY it won't be a government that will last for 4 years of a lifetime!

When you say monarchists have already elected Reza Pahlavi as their King you are saying that their VOTES will go for a Constitutional Monarchy not that they will impose him as the country's Monarch. The same goes for the MKO. The true leader/system for the future of Iran will be elected in a national referendum, it doesn't matter what people THINK FOR THEMSELVES now it's what the RESULTS of the National Referendum that will be binding. If the results are that the majority prefer a Constitutional Monarchy with Reza Pahlavi as the Monarch that is binding, or another Islamo-Marxist Republic under Maryam and Masood Rajavi well congratulations!!!! Do you see what I mean? We will never be able to fully trust each other, at least not in the near future, but the important thing is that there is a representative TG! Afterwards the results of the National Referendum will determine the future of the country.

I don't think any of us can come to conclusions about which group the majority of people inside Iran support or don't support."


III. Yes, we need to realize the meaning of TG is temporary. I agree with you. Personally I believe to call Reza Pahlavi, The Shah, is wrong. Same thing goes for calling Maryam Rajavi, the President Elect. If Monarchists nominate Reza Pahlavi as the head of provisional government in exile or if Mojaheds nominate Maryam Rajavi as the head of provisional government in exile, this is fine a dandy but they cannot call them Shah or President! Masses of Iran must decide if they want a Shah or a President. Monarchists & Mojaheds can call their leaders Leaders of the TG & thats all. This is one of the major problems with different groups finding these kinds word games & titles unnacceptable.

According to my studies, surveys, research, contacts & debates in politics, it is pretty to me that in the future free election of Iran, masses of Iran as a majority, will not elect a Monarch, Mojahed or an Islamist to lead the nation; therefore Monarchists, Mojaheds & Islamists will not get the majority of popular vote to establish their own government. This is based on scientific studies & evidence. But then again this is what I believe & you can believe whatever that you want to believe.

Also, let me tell you that I believe any kind of the future regime in Iran is better than Islamic Republic of Iran. Even a Reformist Islamist Regime is better than what we have now. So any future regime of Iran has my blessing!

Now tell me, knowing these facts, how will you unite the opposition? More important how will you get the masses to accept any unified opposition leadership?

"IV.) Massive acts of civil disobedience and violent acts is what I propose. I don't understan what you mean when you say that people are un-familar with the term "revolution" ? "


IV. Bravo, civil disobedience & violence. This means Revolution. Revolution means changing the fundamentals of the present regime for embetterment & progress. Thats why I do not call the 1979 Reaction as a Revolution.

Revolution means progress & going forward.
Reaction means progress & going backwards.

Revolution often does not come peaceful & without bloodshed. eg: American Revolution.
Revolution rarely comes without bloodshed. eg: The White Revolution of Shah & The People.

To change the present regime, due to the nature of the regime, there must be heavy bloodshed. this takes a major uprising. Civil disobedience & violence are only a part of it.

Masses of Iran do not have it in their nature to commit to a Major Revolution. Thats the problem.

Reasons for this behavior:

1. Culture of Captivity - check the opening argument for this debate.
2. Arabo_Islamic sub culture of slavery & mentality of slavery for Iranians.
3. No organized & unified Opposition leadership for people to look up to it.
4. blood thirsty savage nature of the regime, way beyond a peaceful transition.
If you give 5 cents to a mullah, you cannot take it back from him.
Now, you gave them a money maker (a nation); therefore, they will kill every soul in Iran before
they give it back. This is why all theories of Reza Pahlavi written in his books are wrong. They
work for South Africa or America & a regime respectful to the international law, to confront but
not for IRI.
5. Bad experience with so called Revolution (Reaction of 1979) & Exiled Opposition Leaders.
6. Once more, Iranians will not up rise on a hungry stomach, they will uprise on a full stomach!
and more.

My conclusion is that How can you get the masses to uprise?

My friend, it is not as easy as it seems! We tried for 5 years to do it right. Now I am asking the youth such as you, to see what you want & what you suggest? I am asking the same questions from the youth outside & inside Iran in person or on video netrmeeting or Instant Messenger or Voice Chat. I am only dealing with the youth. I already gave up on the old!

What say you?

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Postby Liberator » Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:17 pm

Dear Dr X,


1.) When I mentioned my fellow imprisoned students I wasn't implying that they should be elected to participate in the TG, rather I just wanted to point out that they are the front line soldiers actively defending their country. As I said the members of the TG should be comprised of "economists, politicians, military individuals, culturally knowledgable personalities, businessmen, accountants, lawyers, doctors..." who originate from Iranians inside and outside Iran.

The number of TG participants should be limited in order to keep it as simple as possible. Just imagine what would happen if we had 500 different Iranian personalities with different ideologies! They would try to organize their own revolution within the TG!! We need to KISS it (Keep it short & simple) in order to make it as productive as possible.

Would 40-50 personalities be too much to ask for? These representatives would be in charge of political affaires (internal & international), economical affaires, judicial affaries, security and military affaires etc.



2) I agree with you that the Shahbanou has much experience and is "accepted" by a great deal of the Iranian population. I explained that both the Shahbanou and Reza Pahlavi are neutral people no matter what others say. The principle should be that a neutral person is the head of the TG.



3) There is only one thing that can UNITE the opposition and that is Iran as I explained in my previous post. The TG is a representative body, what are they scared of? The TG is temprorary, what should they be scared of? The TG is dominated by any party or ideology it's purpose is solely to coordinate efforts in overthrowing the regime and filling the vacuum for a temporary period. Isn't it the goal of the "opposition" to uproot the Islamic Republic and hold a national referendum in which they can promote their party as much as they want? If they can't agree to this they aren't part of the opposition! If communists can't agree to this then they are OUT of the picture, if MKO can't agree to this they are OUT! Even if we are left with only CM's and Republicans this TG should still go ahead. And if CM's can't agree to that and we are left with only Republicans then they have shown that they are the only ones who really care for Iran or vice versa! No matter what the TG has to be created.



4) I think that the TG will play a leading role in "activating" the population into "revolution mode". They will then be assured that the vacuum after the IRI's downfall won't be filled with anarchy and groups trying to take over the country illegaly, instead there will be a recognized body which will take over the duties of the country for a temporary period until the conditions are stabalized for a national referendum to take place under international supervision. This will make the people rise up, burn down the pillars of this regime, and for the armed forces to arrest the savage criminals that have been holding Iran-Zamin hostage for 25 years.


I hope this helps.


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Postby Ahreeman X » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:09 am

I. The number of participants in TG cannot be more than the number of a cabinet Ministers & that is beteen 15 to 20. This is how you can keep it simple. 20 to 40 is too large of a number & it provides the environment for arguments after arguments involving ideological issues & getting nothing done.

II. Farah Pahlavi, no matter whatever her beliefs are, yet she has done great goods for Iran & she paid her dues to Iran. She is a mother figure & a progressive figure. Farah is also, neither corrupt or lazy (unlike average Pahlavi), so add to this her experience in politics & social work, also public relations & I believe we can get various groups to accept her as the Head of TG. On the other hands, due to the facts in which I have mentioned before, you will have a hard time selling RP as the Head of The TG. Beside, it is good for Iranians to learn to respect women & obey them as a Head TG than to treat them as 2nd class citizens! women used to be having great powers in Iran, before the Islamic Infection! Observe:

Great Historical Persian Women
http://members.aol.com/ahreemanx/page8.html

Great Persian Freedom Fighters
http://hometown.aol.com/ahreemanxii/page37.html

We need to get women back to their old status & stop this Islamic Male Chauvinist PIG-Like attitude. women are the most sufferd group during this 25 years of Islamic Garbage. Women's Rights contradicts directly with Islam. I also understand that Farrah is a Muslim, yet a Moderate Muslim & as long as she has no problem with Separation of Mosque & Government & keeping her religion to herself, then I believe we are in business.

III. I agree that the TG must be created. No doubt in that. However we should not so easily give up on including Mojahedin & Communists to the TG. Also do not leave The Nationalists out! There are various Nationalist Right Wing organizations (Nationalists, National Socialists, Fascists, etc.) whom have a major conflict with Monarchy yet they are keen on TG. We have to including "ALL" to the TG. Iranians must learn to work together & develope a spirit of cooperation & learn the concept of "Team Work". We must soon or late teach Iranians the true meaning of the Team Work, even if we have to inject it to them through their veins by force. You see, sometimes you need to force Iranians into new ideas or they tend to stay in Dark Ages. I am more pro Reza Khan's approach of pushing them by force into the 21sth century & The New Age. However, I am curious, are you a Monarchist or a Republican?

IV. Amen Brother. What I admire about you is your fighting spirit, Seeing the greater good rather than personal ideologies, & your persistence & hard work.

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Postby Liberator » Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:41 am

Dear Dr X,

1) Yes, I do believe that the number of participants should be limited in order to make the TG effective and keep the "tensions" to a minimum.

2) If I were to chose the head of the TG it would definately be the Shahbanou (Farah Pahlavi) not only for her charisma and experience but also because Iranians need to learn how to respect a woman! Indeed there was a time in Iranian/Persian history in which women were respected and leaders of our society but after the arabo-muslim invasion with anti-women ideals being indoctrinated this was wiped away! It's high time for Iranians to regain their dignity and respect our women for the strong leading figures they really are.

3) I have always advocated for ALL of the DEMOCRATIC opposition to participate in the TG. Anyone who believes in the peoples' right to chose their future government and understand that their role in the TG is temporary can participate. Those who cannot cooperate with other opposition members and who only seek to further their own selfish/dictatorial agendas cannot be allowed to participate.

I'm a Constitutional Monarchist and believe that this system could best serve our motherland with its deep roots that it has in this ancient land. I believe in power being vested in the Parliament which is what a CM is built upon and with the monarch as a sovereign with limited or only ceremonial powers.

4) Likewise I admire you my dear compatriot, for your truthfulness, courage, and patriotism; and am especially glad to have found someone who shares the same vision, or much of the same vision, for a better Iran. More power to you my friend.


To the Iranian resistance:
FASTER PLEASE!


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Postby Ahreeman X » Thu Jan 27, 2005 2:37 pm

On Transitional government

1) So we have an agreement.

2) We agree again!

3) Generally agreed, but we must get everyone on board. That's why we need to make compromises to get everyone on board. Otherwise, the transitional government means nothing! This TG must have the backing of masses behind it.

4) you flatter me. How can I not agree?!

You see, overall we agree on issues! It is so Un_Iranian! How can two Iranians agree on one thing?!

PS:
To answer your question in your E-mail:
Even though very hard to read in this angle, the writing on the KKK hood (riot!) of your signature says :
" ..... National Support",
I think if we open up the hood & read around it, then it may say:
"Support The National Struggle"

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Postby Liberator » Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:30 pm

Dear Dr X,

Regarding point #3:

You said:


Generally agreed, but we must get everyone on board. That's why we need to make compromises to get everyone on board. Otherwise, the transitional government means nothing! This TG must have the backing of masses behind it.


I said:


3) I have always advocated for ALL of the DEMOCRATIC opposition to participate in the TG. Anyone who believes in the peoples' right to chose their future government and understand that their role in the TG is temporary can participate. Those who cannot cooperate with other opposition members and who only seek to further their own selfish/dictatorial agendas cannot be allowed to participate.

I'm a Constitutional Monarchist and believe that this system could best serve our motherland with its deep roots that it has in this ancient land. I believe in power being vested in the Parliament which is what a CM is built upon and with the monarch as a sovereign with limited or only ceremonial powers.



What is this compromise you mention? [-( I thought all Iran Lovers were included in my statement :-s So why are we "generally agreed" :-k
Hope you can elaborate on that :roll:


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P.S. Thank you for the translation :thanks: and I salute my "KKK" friend :salute: more power to the RESISTANCE!
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Postby Ahreeman X » Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:01 am

Liberator:

Allow me to show you another side of the coin.

All opposition groups, in terms are democratic, but in theory & practice, there is a whole different story!

Communists believe that the last & final level in Marxism is the True Democracy but in their version of Democracy, everyone must be equal in wealth and social status. However, to get to this final level, there are many other levels and most Marxist Societies (whatever has left of them) are presently & supposedly (according to Marxists) are in the Socialist Level which in this level, they enforce the "Dictatorship of Proltaria" (Dictatorship of Labors & Farmers) to get to the final level. The bottom line is that Communists do not believe in Democracy, as the True meaning of Democracy which has been invented by the American Republic @ 1776.

Fascists/Nazis, flat out reject Democracy as a system. They believe in Syndicate Style of Economy and Totalitarian system of rule by the Elite.

Mojahedin are Marxist Islamists. Marxism and Islam, both in their natures, reject Democracy.
I have already explained about Marxism but Islam does not believe in Separation of Mosque & Government, yet it believes that government is a part of Mosque. Islam also rejects the legal equal rights between Muslim & Non Muslim. Islam through history, also practiced & in many nations still practicing Slavery. Islam also believes in a Theocratic System of Government, so as you see in theory Marxist Islamists such a Mojahedin reject Democracy, but to save face in the modern world & to adpt themselves to the 21st Century, also to gain support of the west, they show a Democratic face & they preach democracy.

Monarchists are consisting of 2 fractions. Old Monarchists are pro revival of the Pahlavi Dictatorship. By Dictatorship, I am not insulting Pahlavis, yet in fact, that was the system of government during Pahlavis. Old Monarchists want to return Iran to the glory of the past which was in fact Dictatorship of Pahlavi. In reality, they are Absolutist Monarchists, the same as they were during the Shah, pro one political party system (end era of Shah) of Rastakhiz Party. However, to save face, adopt to 21st century and collect support in the west, they pretend that they are pro Constitutional Monarchy. The Smaller Half of Monarchists are Absolutist Monarchists & in nature against Democracy.

Freelance Islamists are also believing in Islamic Democracy (what contradiction)! They are a part of this opposition. Even if they preach separation of Mosque & Government, yet they are not willing to take "Shiite Islam as the official religion of Iran" ammendment, out of the constitution! This ammnedment was in fact a part of constitution during Pahlavis!

Would you add all the above up & tell me how much of your opposition has left? There goes a great chunk of your opposition! They might say they are pro democracy but in practice, theory and ideology, they deny democracy.

What I am saying is that we must cover all the groups & work with all the groups, Democratic or not, to reach our goal. The above groups directly or indirectly reject democracy, but we need them to overthrow IRI. Afterwards, comes referendums & elections & people will decide what they want.

Then comes the next question?

Are majority of Iranians understand what democracy is?
Do majority of Iranians want democracy?

You, my young friend are most likely born outside Iran or moved out of Iran when you were under 9 years old. You are most likely, presently residing in Scandinavia, Sweden. The concepts that you have about Democracy and Monarchy is way different than the concepts of an average Iranian about both subjects.

Average Iranian does not fully comprehend Democracy!

Average Iranian also does not fully comprehend Constitutional Monarchy!

You, IIRF, Admzad, many other Monarchists of IPC are the Elite, Moderate, Intellectual monarchists. You talk about the Swedish Model and European Model and limited powers or ceremonial powers for the Monarch.

Do you believe, you people are the typical Monarchist Iranian in Exile?

Let me show you how the typical Monarchists behave and how they conduct their debates, when they hit a brick wall and when they cannot reply, logic or debate in a rational manner! These are your average Monarchists who want to return Iran to Monarchy:

(I know you don't read Tazi Persian, so get someone to read it for you.)

Monarchists Responds to Me
http://www.humanitary.ro/e19.html

Even if we go by your rules of Monarchy & copy European Monarchy Style, in Iran. I still can prove to you that it is outdated. I, as a progressive man, cannot cling to an outdated system of government! As I have said before. the present Democratic European Monarchies, are not democratic in their nature, yet through the decades & centuries, they have been forced to re-shape themselves to Democratic Regimes and only by the force of the people!

But this is another discussion that we are having in the "Monarchy or Republic" topic which you might want to participate. I don't want to get off the subject.

Back to the subject. My point is that we cannot alienate Non Democratic Forces of Iran to join TG, because we need them. If we alienate them or not try to include them or attempt to form coalitions with them, then the whole concept of coalitions and TG will fail, in such manners that Reza Pahlavi, A layer of Superficial Monarchists around him, Some Republicans and some so called Nationalists, had gatherings in DC & LA to debate & unite or form coalitions. They have not achieved any of their goals! This is what they achieved:

Verbal conflicts in gatherings.
Some groups did not even sit with each other in a same room & refused to talk.
Many of them begged CIA for a bone.

Why?

Because, they have either did not try, or did not try hard enough to get all the groups together. We must get everybody on board, disregarding of their ideology!

When Monarchists call Communists or Mojahedin, undemocratic, well in return, Mojahedin & Communists can bring 101 documents that Monarchists are undemocratic and they can being up many cases from Pahlavi era or even present!

We must get everyone on the same table. Maybe this is not possible and maybe IPC already tried & failed! Maybe thats why I believe US Government's Military Invasion/Liberation is the only way to force the whole opposition to sit on the same table & form a real TG.

Either that, or for instance, we go full militant, clearly take over Iran (due to plans which I already have explained), and leave all these groups with no other choice but to join in together to decide the future of Iran!

PS: If I keep on having all these different discussions with you beloeved members of IPC in different rooms, then how the hell will I get a chance to create the new website?! Maybe you guys should discuss amongst yourselves & let me take off for a few months to make the new site or it will never get done?!

Now hit me with your thoughts?

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Postby Liberator » Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:11 pm

Dear Dr X,

I see were you are going; you're saying a significant portion of Iranians are in fact not "democratic" and they should not be shunned for that because they can assist us in ending the second arabo-muslim occupation of Iran?

Ok fair enough. As much as I hate/despise some of the aforementioned groups I am willing to compromise and accept what you said. So if I take out the first sentence of my statement it would end up something like this with some modifications to it:

*In regards to who can participate in the TG*

Anyone who believes in the peoples' right to chose their future government freely and understand that their role in the TG is temporary can participate. Those who cannot cooperate with other opposition members in order to allow this to happen should not be allowed to participate. We need mature and qualified men and women of determination who can work together to allow this to happen.

I'm a Constitutional Monarchist and believe that this system could best serve our motherland with its deep roots that it has in this ancient land. I believe in power being vested in the Parliament which is what a CM is built upon and with the monarch as a sovereign with limited or only ceremonial powers.



I believe you would agree with me on the first part of my statement now.


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