Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects
Part 1: Micro Aspects
Ahreeman X
January 19, 2014
Iran Philosophy Index
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Defense Mechanism
By majority, people are creatures of habit. The public is not susceptive to change. They are happy with the Status Quo. When they see change is coming, they automatically panic and build a Defense Mechanism! The public are known to build fortresses around their minds to reject change. The public prefers to maintain slave to the mind control of the church and society. Scientific Change brings progress but the public prefers to stay secure in their comfortable and isolated little corner. It is the scientific people’s duty to evolve the Earth or else the Earth would never evolve and the public will never accept the change! The Intellectual Scientific Few have a crucial task to push forward the Public in to the next evolutionary step thus they shall not banish and become extinct!
Philosophy of Existence
How Everything Came to Existence?
Part 1: Micro Aspects
Introduction
This is a dialogue between Nicholas Ginex, the valuable author, philosopher, and free thinker and I. This is a philosophical debate and each party will contribute to the debate as time allows. Other parties may also participate in this debate. It specifically may take a while for me to respond (due to extremely busy schedule) but bear with me.
Nicholas Ginex is a scholar, an author and a philosopher with vast knowledge of theology, history of religions and sociology. Nicholas is a worthy intellectual and that is the reason in which I have set aside a good amount of time for this debate. As you are aware, I am in a middle of restructuring the whole website, a tech project, writing an article for X Diaries (my memoirs) and remodeling my estate; however, because it is Nicholas, I make time for this debate.
This debate and debates such as this are not only beneficial for Nicholas and I, because we learn a thing or two from one another but they are most beneficial for “All” to learn a thing or two from the debate; however, they are crucially educational for the youth, because after reading this or similar debates, they shall begin to question everything which they have been taught in school and they will start researching to make up their own minds about various issues. This debate and similar debates such as this will provide you the stepping stones as the primary steps to do critical thinking, independent thinking and free thinking to build your opinion based on rationality and facts. Feel free to read, follow the thread and to participate.
Before we begin this dialogue, the readers may read below links to gain background information about Nicholas Ginex, his books, his ideas, his letter to me and our past trade of words:
Nicholas Ginex Background Information
God, Islam and Author of the Month
Nicholas Ginex Letter to Ahreeman X
Ahreeman X Response
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Nicholas Ginex Response
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Nicholas Ginex Site
https://www.futureofgodamen.com/
Nicholas Ginex on Author Network
https://www.theauthornetwork.com/
Perquisite Reading
History of Faravahar
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/art-litera ... /index.htm
History of Zoroastra
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy/ ... /index.htm
History of Persian Mythology
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-la ... /index.htm
History of Allah
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/cres ... /index.htm
Islam is a Disease and Muslims are Infected!
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/isla ... /index.htm
Religion, Living in Fantasy; Drugs, Living in Hallucination!
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy ... /index.htm
A Bank Named Religion!
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy ... /index.htm
Brain and Mind
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy ... /index.htm
Now you are ready to roll.
Ready?
Set?
Let’s Roll …
A Word with Nicholas Ginex
Dear NG, you take time from your personal life and go to hospitals and nursing homes to bring a moment of joy to the terminally ill, elderly, abandoned and forgotten people. You play your guitar, sing a few songs, chat with them, most importantly, you listen to them, because no one listens to them and the most important thing they need is for someone to just sit and listen to them and you do it. I bet you often bring to them presents too. I bet you bring to them donuts, cookies, flowers, a little thing here and a little thing there and you brighten up their lives. You shed some sunshine to their lonely lives. I bet sometimes you even take your books and read for them. In this society where no one has time to even stop a minute and talk to someone, you take time to talk and listen to the elderly and the ill.
This is a selfless act. This is an act of passion. This is a human act. When you do these sessions, there is no time and it is silly to discuss philosophy with them and to convince them what is the true God, what is Universal Intelligence, what is Evolution or to change their ways of thinking. They spent a lifetime as good or bad Christians and they believe in Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit and the Lord. “Why change all that?” (you tell to yourself), “let’s just do some good for love of Jesus and bring these people some joy and make them happy just for a little while!” (you mumble to yourself). “I had a good life, I had my share of wild days, now in retirement, I have time to give back to the community and do a little good for people who are forgotten, so why not?” (you reason with yourself). And then you go on about your day and once a while you do this not for love of Jesus, not for Christianity, not for love of God and not to convince the people around you that you are a Do Gooder Human and a Lovely Soul! No, you just do this for your own continence and for your own humanity, so at the end of the day you can tell to yourself that:
“Today, I made a difference and my life meant something.”
“Today, I made a change for good.”
“Today’s act, made me feel good about myself.”
You do this selfless act of compassion and you go on writing and enlighten the people and you know it may be a losing battle but you still do it because even one man can make a change and put a dent in to the body of this heartless and emotionless machine. Maybe you can change one mind and if you do, then you won and you accomplished something.
You are a Better Man than I
This makes you a better man than I. This makes you a better human than I, not because you do charity work but because I am way too selfish to do what you do! I can bring you excuses based on facts that I am not retired, I am too busy, I am occupied at work, I am occupied with the website, I am occupied with the American and Iranian politics, I am occupied with the personal life and family, I am bla bla bla …… but I am a better man than that! I am a better man than to bring you excuses. I do not lie and I do not bring excuses. That is not my style. I am not a politician.
I tell you straight forward that I am too selfish to do what you do. You are too selfless to do what you do. This makes you a better man than I. You are a better human and a more humble man than I. I cherish what you do and it is a blessing to have folks such as you doing these simple acts of love for those misfortunate and forgotten ones. Elderly gets no respect in this country. More power to you and it is a blessing to have you and likes of you to make a dent and take a moment to make someone happy and bring joy to their life.
Amen Brother!
I Hope ….
Dear NG, I hope what I do makes a difference not just for Iran but for a better world. If I manage to change the minds and hearts of the future Iranian generation to not fall in the swamp of what their fathers and mothers fell in to (1979 Islamic Revolution of Iran) and correct the “Sins of the Fathers”, maybe just maybe the future Iran unlike the today’s Iran will not remain the central heart of the Islamist Terrorism!
Iran has always been a regional (Middle East) and a continental (Asia) power. Maybe decades of my efforts will mean something after all! Maybe the lives of all my martyred comrades slaughtered by IRI and Hezbollah will make a difference after all! Maybe decades of work will mean something after all!
The Change
If we manage to accelerate the death of IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran) and return Iran to once more being the heart of the Persian civilization, poetry, culture, hospitality and humanity, then it was not all in vain! Maybe by changing the minds and hearts of the future Iranian generation, we will change the future Iran and by changing the future Iran, we will change the world to a better world, a more peaceful world and a more civilized world. Maybe ….. sky is the limit …..
We can change Iran from being the bread and butter of the global Islamism and the benefactor to Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, Al Shabab, Afghan Shiites, Bosnian Muslims and every single Islamist Terrorist group in the world to once upon a time proud and mighty Persian Empire, protector of knowledge, art, culture and civilization. Maybe we can accelerate the death of Islam in Iran like the Russians accelerated the death of Communism in Russia! Maybe after all, decades of our lives was not just a waste.
I do my best to make a difference and I am sure that I have done and I am doing and I will make a difference. There will be brighter days. I am sure of it. Things will change. Future is bright. I always tell my comrades that we have one foot in the grave and one foot in the paddle, we were born rebels. And if it all blow in our faces and it all goes to Hell, still once we get old, we will sit in some boon town in exile, around the fireplace and we will tell stories of these days. Boy we have stories to tell. Even if it all goes to Hell, we still have amazing stories to tell and it was all not just a waste! I was born rebel (Tom Petty)!
In hope of better days my friend …
Dear Nicholas
Dear NG (Nicholas Ginex), my free thinking brother:
Thanks for your E-mails, Forum Post and kind remarks.
Primarily,
A) Use the Gadgets Properly
For God’s sake, please highlight the desired text and use the “Quote” button and highlight the desired text and use the color buttons properly. Your forum post is extremely “Designabely Challenged” (Liberal Politically Correct Term) and “Drastically Chaotic” (Ahreemanic Politically Incorrect Term)! For God’s sake Nicholas, as a man of science, use the technology and gadgets properly and make it easy on our eyes to read the posts and follow the thread! Your post was a mixture of text, BB Code, Mixed color codes and failed forum quotes and colored text attempts. It is simply hard to follow your writing because quotations are messed up, colors are messed up and it is hard to tell which is quote and which is response. Don’t be Low Tech, be Hi-Tech! I almost got blinded by the light of Amun (Amen) to follow the confusing pattern of you quoting me, responding and quoting yourself!
I got cataracts and pink eyes trying to read your disorganized post! For love of Jesus, Have mercy on my eyes!
BB Code Guide
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B) Get an Avatar
You have no face. Get an avatar so we know who we are talking to?! If you are “technically challenged” (Politically correct liberal term) and you want me to upload your photo or any image you desire as your avatar, then send it to my e-mail or point to the link to it, and let me know?
A Few Points from your E-mail
“Thank you for reading the e-mail I recently sent you and responding with many comments that I will certainly answer in my most honest and logical way. For 95% of your comments, I fully agree regarding the unlikely possibility that religious leaders have enough common sense to unify their beliefs and teach the last command given by a man of God.”
Buddy, this is the problem with our world and humanity. 95 % of the people are saying the same thing but with different views, terms and understanding. They all scream the same thing but due to lack of understanding, comprehension, and communication, they fight one another thinking they have fundamental and antagonistic differences!
Hassan and Hussein Metaphor
(Not Rouhani and Obama!)
The problem is that when Hassan speaks, instead of listening to what Hassan says, Hussein thinks of what to say next! Hassan is talking but Hussein is not listening, yet he is thinking of what to say next! This type of conducting dialogue ends up in misunderstanding, confusion and conflicts. This is the most common way that people conduct dialogue and this is why our world is crushing with conflict. We should talk less and listen more. We should listen to the other party rather than planning our next speech while he is talking! That’s humanity in a nutshell for you.“From a practical standpoint, the monotheistic religions have dogma they will not let go of. That is why my books appeal to people around the world to pressure religious leaders to unify their beliefs and teach the greatest command given by God - love one another.”
Yes, you should continue the effort to enlighten. It is an uphill battle, yet you simply cannot seize the climbing, just because the hill is steep!“It will be a fruitful exercise to discuss our viewpoints about religion and God. There is one basic difference between me and you;”
Ahhh are you talking about the fact that:
You are an Ancient Alien Astronaut posing as an Egyptologist Egyptian human,
And
I am an Ancient Persian God of Evil posing as a journalist human?“ you tend to hang onto the spiritual view created by past Persian thinkers”
I believe there is a bit of misunderstanding here.
2 points:
A) Ancient Persian Philosophy such as Zarathustra’s philosophy speaks of Ahura Mazda as the “Universal Intelligence” meaning not as a Big Guy sitting in the sky and creating all universes and everything in them, but it is defining the “System” of dynamic, evolving and ever changing progressive interactions between the matters, energies and spirits which has been, is and will be running all universes and making it to functionally go on … This system is not the results of a thinking person’s or thinking entity’s creation, yet the complete system is intelligent!
They system was never created, will never be destroyed and it is always changing forms to evolve. This complete system made up of matters, energies and spirits within itself is intelligent.
B) I, also basically believe in the same thing! I believe that Everything in existence [Matters, Energies and Spirits (elements so far known)], was never created, will not be destroyed and always change forms within and from and to one another to evolve.
There never was or is a creator or an intelligent entity designed and created all. The system within itself is intelligent.
Human mind is simple and elementary. In human mind, everything must have a creator. There is a shoe, then there must be a shoemaker. But in universal concept there is no creator or creation.
The Universal Graph of Existence
The graph is a snake-like entity with no beginning and no end. Each circle of the snake’s body does not fully close but it comes near closing points.
Human mind has a hard time comprehending that something can exist without getting created!
The funny thing is that the same human limited mind also believes in a God that always existed, can never be destroyed and he created all!
As scientists, we say the same thing about the matters and energies, but human’s limited mind simply cannot accept that, yet he accepts a spiritual entity as God with the same criteria!
We offer the human, the sensible and visible matters and energies but he prefers to believe in the not visible and not sensible spiritual being named God!
We as scientists also believe in Spirits and Spirituality. But our spirits cannot exist without matters and energies! In our logical universe, matters and energies created the spirits, not vice versa! Read:
Brain and Mind
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy ... /index.htm
On My Spirituality
My spirituality is not the spirituality of an Abrahamic God and his prophets! My spirituality is the spirituality learned and earned through humanity, martial arts teachings, universal thinking, rational pondering and logically configuring. My spirituality is a world apart from Religious mumbo jumbo, God and his prophets!“ and, I have no allegiance to any religion except that the original premise of religion was to explain our existence and formulate a moral code to live by.”
Actually you and I are much closer to your belief than what you assume it is my belief! I do not cling to Ancient Persian Philosophies and Religions. I only cling to core teachings of Zarathustra centered in “Universal Intelligence” system as the same system which I believe and refer to as “Evolution”.
In other words, I do not cling to the Ancient Persian Doctrines but I cling to Science. I dig the scientific parts of them.“Science has nothing to do with ethics and morality but only facts and logic that explains the existence of things.”
Actually I differ.
Science has everything to do with morality!
On Morality
Science has everything to do with Logic.
Logic dictates what is logically Moral.
Rationally Moral thinking and behavior establishes Morality codes.
In formula:
Science => Logic => Morality
Human sense and logic makes us to build a moral code of ethics and morality.
Human logic dictates us on what is moral and what is not! Human has created the Morality. Now the morality can vary, some is upside down (Islamic Morality) and some is more logical (do not commit incest). There is a scientific logic on why not to commit incest (reproductive flaws, ethical bankruptcy, social ramifications, etc.) which has nothing to do with the religion.
Do you honestly believe that if there was never a God, a Religion and a Religious Moral Code in history of the man, then eventually the human animal would have not come to comprehend and write a set of moral codes? Human would eventually come to conclusion and write Moral codes (without religion) through logic.
Think about it,
Morality is more scientific and logic than having anything to do with God and Religion.
Human logic dictates us to be Moral beings:
Do not Kill
Do not commit Incest
Do not steal
Do not cheat
Do not rape
Etc.
I can go point by point and prove to you that Morality is pure scientific and not religious.
Moral due to Logic not Religion!
Religious people out of ignorance believe that human cannot be moral without religion. They in fact believe that Atheists cannot be moral. It is actually the opposite! Atheists are moral due to logic and not due to the fear of God!
Religious people are moral due to the fear of God and burning in Hell at the Afterlife. If there was no God or Religion, all of these Pious people would eat each other alive, rape, incest, pillage and murder!
Islamic Morality!
Actually Muslims are already doing all the above and all are written in their good book of Quran! Praise be Upon Allah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is only one God and it is the Psychopathic, Mass Murderer, Serial Killer named Allah and he only has one prophet named Muhammad the Jewel of Humanity and the symbol of purity (Incest, Rape, Polygamy, Stealing, Cheating, Murder, etc.)
Allah-o Akbar, Praise be Upon Allah!
The issue of Morality is by itself a wide subject and a discussion by itself. We can attend to the issue of Morality later on and discuss it in depth. I love to do so and I know you are just itching to get down and dirty with this issue.
Morality has always been a controversial issue of debate between philosophers and thinkers of both religious and non religious sides of the aisle.“That is why I subscribe to the idea that people will always think of some unknown, mysterious, and incomprehensible God to try to understand their own existence.”
Bravo!
God and Religion was created from the fear of unknown by man!“This topic cannot be covered in just a few paragraphs. However, I look forward and am honored that you have taken the time to write and challenge much of my thinking.”
It is surely enjoyable to debate a wonderful mind such as yours. I enjoy speaking to “People of Brains”!“I assure you, we are of the same mind,”
Somewhat ….“ but I am looking for solutions that will bring harmony and peace to people around the world.”
Then shall we call you Mother Theresa? Or Pope Nicholas P. Ginex?“Nicholas P. Ginex”
Nicholas Professor Ginex“PS: I understand your reluctance to receive a complimentary copy of my book. Perhaps, through a 3rd party, I could mail you signed, complimentary copies of my books. It would be my pleasure to be honored by the time and efforts you spend writing me.”
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Re: Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex & Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex and Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects
Part 2: Macro Aspects
Ahreeman X
January 19, 2014
How Everything Came to Existence?
Part 2: Macro Aspects
A Few points from your Post“I would like to let you know that after reading your article, History of Faravahar, I was able to appreciate why you address yourself as Ahreeman X or AX.”
Hee hee hee Howl! That was my Evil laugh! But seriously, don’t you think I am Ahreeman reincarnated as a human? Besides, Ahreeman is the greatest protector of Ahura Mazda! After all, they are the same entity!“As you have already discovered, my books deal with the influence of ancient Egyptian beliefs on the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions. Much of what you have written above is compatible with my books. What I was delighted to learn was that there appears to be an Egyptian influence on the moral ideas developed in Persia and an afterlife.”
Egypt is an ancient culture and its influence is visible all over other ancient cultures. Even though Iran has 8000 years of history, yet Faravahar as an Aryan Symbol has appeared during and after the Aryan Migration of Iran:
Aryan Migration
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/maps/maps01/index.htm
Susa is not Elam
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/history/su ... /index.htm
Therefore, Faravahar and other Aryan concepts were practically nonexistent or little known during the “Local Civilizations of Iran Era”, “Susa City State Era” and “Susa Kingdom Era”.
However, the Egyptian influence came later on during the migration and after the migration.“Definitely, I am not a Creationist but certainly an Evolutionist. Having been schooled in the sciences, becoming an Electrical Engineer, and having read Cosmos by Carl Sagan, it becomes obvious that all life evolves from matter that is exposed to conditions of heat and water, at least for us humans. As you know, there are billions of galaxies and trillions of planets. A planet first begins as matter caught in the gravitational grasp of a star. It is void of any life until the right conditions of heat from the star initiates moisture and water from whence simple life forms evolve from first the vegetation that emerges both in and out of the water.”
So you are an Evolutionist.“Regarding whether I am an atheist or agnostic, here again I am neither. I am not an atheist because I have no knowledge that convinces me that God does not exist.”
An Atheist believes in Science. An Atheist is not dogmatic. An atheist believes whatever the science can prove up to this point. If tomorrow the science proves there is a God, then the Atheist believes in God (unlikely)!
The most logical and scientific theory as of now is Evolution. The Evolution denies Creation and God.
My question to you is:
How can you be an Evolutionist but not an Atheist?
A Non Atheist Evolutionist is like a Christian Scientist! It is contradictory!
You are stretching and expanding the philosophical definitions:
Creationist, Evolutionist or Agnostic?
Which is it? What are you?
Humanist is not a philosophical ideology! Humanist does not explain how everything was formed! Humanism is more like a Social Ideology.“And as for being an Agnostic, this is a state of limbo whereby a person does not know what to believe because of lack of evidence.”
True“I am a humanist that takes a practical approach to teach our sisters and brothers to love one another so that we maintain a peaceful world and are able to increase our abilities to better understand ourselves and our world.”
As I stated, Humanism is not really a philosophical ideology.“ If we are able to do this, we may someday meet other intelligent life in the universe.”
True“As I look to the future, perhaps my views are in line with your definition of Zoroastrianism below:
Zoroastrianism is Compatible with Futurism.
Futurism is all about the future, Science, Progress, reality and the truth. Zoroastrianism as a philosophy is also all about the future, Science, Progress, reality and the truth.”
Hey Nicholas, I didn’t know you are my Zoroastrian brother from another mother?!“With due respect, the above definition is one that has evolved through exposure to the greatest minds after Zoroaster that contributed to define the faith and philosophy of Zoroastrianism. The above definition does not include the belief in God or some Holy Spirit or force that has created all there is. Older beliefs of Zoroastrianism included with the duality of right and wrong the belief in the spirit, angels, and the God Mazda Ahura, “the Wise Lord” and Supreme Being who expresses his will through the Holy Spirit (Spenta Mainyu). From Man’s Religions by John B. Noss, page 341, note 4, he writes:
“But, through Ahura Mazda is supreme, he is not unopposed. This is an important belief of Zoroaster. Over against Asha (Right or Truth) is Druj (the Lie). Truth is confronted with Falsehood, Life with Death. The Good Spirit (Spenta Mainyu) is opposed by Angra Mainyu, literally, “the Bad Spirit.” It is characteristic of the Gathas to lay continual emphasis on the fundamental cleavage in the world of nature and in the life of man between right and wrong, the true religion and the false. This cleavage began at the time Ahura Mazda created the world and established freedom of choice for his creatures.””
As I have stated before, it is vice versa! What is known as the original Zoroastrianism is in fact the revised Zoroastrianism by the Mobeds! The original Zoroastrianism is what I wrote about. No God, No Holy Spirit, No Evil, No Absolute, No Master, No Servant, .... but only “Universal Intelligence”.
What Western scholars know of and discuss about Zoroastrianism is what has been written by Mobeds or in other words, “Mobed’s Revisions” which is today’s Fire Temple Zoroastrianism. This is far from the original Zoroastrianism. Therefore, I did not fail to mention anything but in fact I only mentioned the true original Zoroastrianism which had nothing to do with God, Devil, Holy Spirit and Absolutism.“Dr. X, you indicated that Zoroastrianism is all about the future but you neglected to include that the God, Mazda Ahura, “the Wise Lord” and Supreme Being, expresses his will through the Holy Spirit (Spenta Mainyu).”
Not so. Everything you read about Zoroastrianism is the Revised Zoroastrianism written not by Zarathustra but by Mobeds. Read between the lines and you will notice what truly Zrathustra wrote!
On Super Natural and Holy Spirit“ Yes, I believe there is a Holy Spirit that pervades the universe and is the intelligence and force that began the process to evolve both inorganic and organic matter. To me, the Holy Spirit is the essential element of the unknowable, mysterious, and incomprehensible God.”
Allow me to clarify here:
If you believe in a form of Holy Spirit which its entity is “Spirit” and he began the process to evolve both inorganic and organic matters, then by definition, you are not an Evolutionist, yet you are a “Creationist”.“the Holy Spirit is the essential element of the unknowable, mysterious, and incomprehensible God.”
In other words, you believe that Spirit or Spirits evolved the matters.
Questions come to mind:
- Do you believe Spirits created the matters and energies?
- Do you believe Spirits, Matters and Energies always existed but it was the Spirits (Spirit) which jump started life (as we know it)?
This is where we differ because I believe Spirits cannot exist without matters and energies.
Spirits or a Spirit may have jump started origin of the humanity as the present form but this Spirit was by no means Holy nor he was eternal. In fact this Spirit could have been Alien in forms and he conducted a scientific experiment:
Little Green Men + Neanderthal Primate = Present Human
Or
Aliens + Semi Apes = Missing Link => Present Human
One way or another, this Spirit was responsible only for a small part of the Evolution picture which was creation of the man or Earth creatures but we are talking Universe and Universes (Eternal). No Holy Spirit created or jump started this Evolution.
Nicholas, be honest, are you a closet Creationist?
If so, come out of the closet because it is 2014!
You can’t believe in Evolution and then talk about Holy Spirit!
Evolutionists are Atheists. Evolution and Creation do not match, well, unless you are Senator McCain or a Christian Scientist living in LaLa Land! I doubt if you are alike ….
Confess Nicholas, confess, are you a closet Creationist?
Confess to Ahreeman, it makes your sins lighter!
What True Evolutionists believe is that the system (matters, energies, spirits) are eternal and no Holy Spirit created the system. On the contrary, Spirits cannot exist without matters and energies. In other words, I created God, not vice versa!“Amen was created by the minds of men who developed this personal God after many centuries believing in many gods. This history in provided in my book Future of God Amen.
Does it mean that you believe that Amun (God) is created by man?
Ginex response: Yes.”
Thanks for clarification.“Does it mean that God created man?
Ginex response: This is a philosophical question and I can best answer it using the perspective of the Persian belief in the God, Ahura Mazda who created the world. To me, there is an intelligence that pervades the universe, which may be defined as a Universal Intelligence. This Universal Intelligence cannot be defined as it began from Energy that evolved into matter starting with the minute particles that make up the atom consisting of neutrons, protons and electrons. That is, I believe Einstein has captured the relation between mass and energy where E=mc2.
I believe Energy was present first to create matter. For me to believe that matter evolved by itself appears to be nonsense. I believe there had to be a force that willed itself into existence and I can only hypothesize that it was Energy. Therefore, I do not subscribe to the idea that matter always existed. Nor do I believe there were gods that established the universe because the next question arises, where did God come from? It remains for science to solve the question did God always exist or was it Energy that formed matter, which later was able to evolve both inorganic matter and organic life where highly developed life forms, like humans, begin to think about their existence. It is the higher life forms that are the crown achievement of this Energy whereby they reach back out to the universe to understand the Energy, a force, that created all there is.”
Now the truth comes out Nicholas!“ This is a philosophical question and I can best answer it using the perspective of the Persian belief in the God, Ahura Mazda who created the world. To me, there is an intelligence that pervades the universe, which may be defined as a Universal Intelligence. This Universal Intelligence cannot be defined as it began from Energy that evolved into matter starting with the minute particles that make up the atom consisting of neutrons, protons and electrons. That is, I believe Einstein has captured the relation between mass and energy where E=mc2.”
Universal Intelligence does not mean Holy Spirit.“I believe Energy was present first to create matter. For me to believe that matter evolved by itself appears to be nonsense.”
No one says Matters evolved on their own, but it is the interaction between energies and matters throughout millions of years which created the present form Earth, plants and Animals in it.“I believe there had to be a force that willed itself into existence and I can only hypothesize that it was Energy.”
Your view of looking at this issue is beginning to sound like a Creationist point of view.
Ants World Metaphor
No one willed himself to be created, come to life and exist. Energy and Matter are life but different forms of life. Energy is a force, a powerful force. Combination of Energy and Matter gave life to the creatures. This is neither a miracle, nor an amazing element which has occurred! Life as you know it occurs around the universe all the times. Just because we do not witness it, then it does not mean that it is not happening at all times.
We are only one animal amongst many animals of a planet in the solar system, amongst many solar systems in our galaxy of Milky Way amongst many galaxies in our universe amongst many other universes to infinity!
What are the odds of us witnessing life elsewhere? Especially with our primitive forms of transportations around the space?
What are the odds of an ant witnessing a human walking? Ants in their ant world never look above and if they do, what are the odds of seeing humans? Ants live in woods, deserts and non human living environments (mostly).
This is where the human brain comes up with assumptions that there must be a creator who created everything! Simply because the miracle of life, looks amazing to human but the reality is that life occurs all the times in millions of spots around the eternal universe. We are like ants in an ant farm (Earth). We have not seen anything of this system yet; therefore, we come up with these wonderful illogical theories and stories of Holy Spirit, Creator, Spiritual Force, etc.
Life is Simple
Buddy, life is a simple chemical interaction which occurs all the time. Our small brains have so far did not discover the proper formula to this interaction, so we refer to it as amazing and a miracle.
We are also looking at it from a wrong point of view. This is not a simple interaction which can be and was done in one day but it was through millions and billions of years. However, today we are cloning and seriously working to create life. One day we will laugh at how elementary we were, thinking that a Super Natural Force was involved in creation of life! The only Super Natural Force involved, is what we have so far not comprehended and one day we will be able to explain it scientifically.
Supernatural is what we have not scientifically discovered and explained yet!
Scientific Theory and Law“Therefore, I do not subscribe to the idea that matter always existed.”
So you defy Laws of Physics? Conservation Law of Matters and Energies?
“Matters and Energies have never been created, will never be destroyed, yet they always change forms to one another.”
(Conservation Law of Matters and Energies)
Do you deny the laws of physics? And you call yourself an Evolutionist?
Please understand that this is not a theory but a law. A Law of Science is Fact and not Science Fiction or Theory.
You see, I told you that you are a closet Creationist. Now you deny Science by denying Laws of Science.“Nor do I believe there were gods that established the universe”
Now you sound like an Agnostic but you mock Agnostics!“because the next question arises, where did God come from?”
Indeed“ It remains for science to solve the question did God always exist or was it Energy that formed matter, which later was able to evolve both inorganic matter and organic life where highly developed life forms, like humans, begin to think about their existence. It is the higher life forms that are the crown achievement of this Energy whereby they reach back out to the universe to understand the Energy, a force, that created all there is.”
Created all there is .....
Do you see why I call you a Closet Creationist?
Buddy, your philosophical view of the universe is similar to a Creationist’s View. You try hard not to believe so, and you try hard to polish your beliefs in a manner that it appears scientific; however, deep inside, you view, sound, argue, example and declare as a Creationist.
Conservation Law of Matters and Energies
Allow me to explain to you a simple logic,
It is not Science’s job to prove anything. It is our job as logical human beings, as logical thinking creatures, to come up with logical analysis of the Universe.
As Scientists and Rational Minds, we always seek for answers and seek to come up with Facts; however, to get there, we create theories. The Scientific Theories are the most logical steps (of the time being) to reach to the “Facts”. Once we discover these theories, eventually we establish “Laws”. Scientific Laws aid us to reach to the Scientific Facts.
Human mind has a hard time comprehending and picturing that Everything in existence has always existed and no one ever created it. The total amount of matters and energies have always been the same but they were and are dynamically changing forms. Matters and Energies never been created and will never be destroyed. They just change shape and forms. The only way the matter seems like it has disappeared is due to changing to “Anti Matter” but even in that situation, it is only changing form. The total amount of all elements (including Anti Matter) are still the same.
You see Life forms on Earth including you, tell to yourself, Wow, what amazing miracle is the creation. Someone must have created all this!
But we must change our view of the world. We look at the Universe from a microscopic point of view of little ants in the ant farm of Earth, a little planet in a little solar system in a galaxy named Milky Way. There is more to the picture, much more. Just because we did not discover everything about it, it does not mean that our cockamamie stories of God and Holy Spirits are true!
A Scientist and a Scientific Person always believes in the latest scientific theory. If tomorrow this theory proven wrong, then they believe in the most up-to-dated theory, but one thing is for sure, they always believe in the latest scientific theory. This is called belief in Change, Dynamics, Evolution and Logic.
I cannot set aside the science and logic and hang on to Unknown hypothesis, based on no rational system, when it suits me! This is not the scientific way!Watcher in the woods
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Re: Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex & Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex and Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
Philosophy of Existence: How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects, General Aspects
Part 3: General Aspects
Ahreeman X
January 19, 2014
How Everything Came to Existence?
Part 3: General Aspects
Seasonal Evolutionists
You cannot believe in Evolution as it suits you but one minute later, you preach about the Holy Spirit! This is contradiction and conflict in one’s beliefs. This is what Christian Scientists or Marxist Islamists (Iranian Mojahedin Organization) do and the very terms of these two beliefs are contradiction in contradiction. Science and Christianity do not mix and match, nor do Islam and Marxism!
It all comes down to are you a Creationist, Evolutionist or Agnostic?
Black and White
I understand that you do not like Black and White and you believe in Areas of Gray, but in this life, we have Blacks and Whites until we discover Areas of Gray!
Ginex Analysis
You hate to call yourself a Creationist because you are too logical to admit it!
You love to call yourself an Evolutionist but your belief system is far from it!
You clearly mock Agnostics but in many ways you keep on sounding like one!
We are all evolving in our belief system, mentally and physically. This is called human Evolution. Like it or not, it is happening. Soon or late you will drop in one camp. Like it or not, admit it or not, it all shows from your actions, your speeches, your debates and your conducts.
Soon or late you are destined to step out of the Areas of Gray and decide Black or White!“Dr. X, as you know, civilizations around the world have conjured up the idea of a god or gods, but Egyptian religious beliefs and Amen are the roots of the Judaic, Christian, and Islamic religions. Of course, religious leaders of these three faiths will deny this revelation by Jesus because they believe they worship the only true God.”
And obviously you are very keen on Jesus.
As long as you are very keen on Jesus, allow me to state some facts here which has been obscured from you and all. Did you know that:
On Christianity and Mithraism
Mitraism (Mithraism) was an Ancient Persian Religion which was created in Iran and later on exported to India, Greece, Rome and rest of the civilized world. Mitra (Mithra) the ancient Persian Sun Goddess was a powerful Goddess. Mitra was both Female and Male (Transgender).
Persian Mythology
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-la ... /index.htm
Allow me to quote myself:
Devolution of Gender in Persia
Multi Genderism was a norm in Ancient Persia. Multi Genderism and Various Verity of Genders, were a fact of life since The Ancient Civilizations (Pre Vedai) Era (6000 BC - 2000 BC). In ancient times, Iranians did not have the present moral taboos! In Iranian society, had existed: Male, Female, Both Female and Male (Bi Gender), Neither Female nor Male (Neuter), Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Transvestite and various other types of Gender Identities.
So were the Gods and Goddesses. We had:
Male Masculine Gods (Ahreeman)
Female Feminine Goddesses (Anahita)
Bi Gender Goddesses (Mitra)
Neuter Gods (Zurvan)
Male Feminine Gods (Indira)
Female Masculine Goddesses (Allatum)
etc.
Iranian Gods and Goddesses were a representation of the Non Gender Bias Iranian Society. There was no Gender Discrimination in Iran. Iranians were free of Gender issues; furthermore, Iranians believed in endless variety of Gender Forms. Women were the most valuable in the Iranian society. Ancient Iranian society did not see the gender issue as Black and White, Male or Female! Iranians believed in freedom of All Genders, including Male, Female, In Between, Bi Gender, No Gender, Feminine, Masculine, Hetero, Homo, Transgender, Transvestite and various other forms. In ancient Iranian civilization, Aryans were living beyond the petty gender issues.
Now let’s see, Christianity is couple millenniums old but Mitraism goes back millenniums before Christianity!
Once again allow me to quote myself:
Christianity is based on Persian Philosophy of Mitraism!
The complete philosophy, doctrine and base for Christianity has been borrowed from the ancient Persian Philosophy of Mitraism (Mithraism.) According to Persian Mythology, Goddess Anahita is the Immaculate Virgin Mother of Goddess Mitra. Christians practically borrowed their doctrine and Holy Scriptures from Ancient Persian Mythology.
Christian Church and scholars only changed the Divine Persian names to Christian names! They named "Anahita" as their Virgin Mary and they named "Mitra" as their Jesus Christ! The bases for the Christian Doctrine and writings in many versions of Bible, written by Christian Scholars and Saints has been practically borrowed (Stolen) material from Persian Mythology and Mithraism! This is documented history. So basically Christianity stole its doctrine from Persians. Later on Mohammed (Islam) stole his complete doctrine from bits and pieces of Torah (Jewish Holy Book) and Bible (Christian Holy Book)! For instance, various prayers, fasting, Allowed and Forbidden foods, scriptures, holy events, biblical history and other documents in Islam were all stolen from Judaism and Christianity. Now if you search for all the roots of everything, even mono thesis, it comes from Persian Doctrines of Mithraism, Vedaiism and Zoroastrianism. It all goes back to Persian Philosophies! Why do majority of public not know all this? Because the public has no clue about history. They do not even know what they had for supper a few nights ago! Yes my friends, It all goes back to Persian Philosophies!
* Mitra was the daughter of the virgin Goddess Anahita.
* Jesus was the son of the virgin mother Mary!
* Mitra was born on December 25th.
* Jesus was born on December 25th.
* Mitraists were having bread and wine at Mitraist Temples.
* Christians are having bread and wine at communions in churches!
And many more similarities…
So what are they? Coincidences or thieveries? The whole Bible is copy/pasted!
Does direct copy/pasting of the Persian Philosophy of Mitraism sounds familiar?
Christianity is not a religion, yet it is a storybook made for adults. Even this storybook is not an original, yet a fake one, copied from the Persian Philosophy of Mitraism!
After reading this research, it will be all clear to you of how primarily Christianity and then Islam copy/pasted much of their holy books from ancient Persian philosophies of Mithraism, Vedaiism and Zoroastrianism!”
I rest my case!“Yes, I agree with you that the dogma of religions do more harm than create peace, harmony, and understanding by inciting bigotry, hatred, violence and the deaths of innocent people. But I know that the belief in God will exist no matter how much logic is presented. So I attempt to challenge the R&Rs to the point of embarrassment of their dogma so that they will understand that they are at the root of much discontent around the world. The R&Rs must revise their scriptures or they will eventually stagnate and die because people like you and me will continue to exist and will grow in numbers to the point that they have no alternative but to update their scriptures. I do not take the atheist or agnostic position, which is to do nothing to inform and educate people about the abominations in scripture. There are better ways to conceive God and lead moral lives. God is unknowable, mysterious, and incomprehensible. It is only by the freedom of thought, logic, and the sciences can we learn to better understand the intelligence or God that created all there is.”
In other words you are stating that humanity is too primitive not to believe in God; therefore, we must hand them some type of God to believe in, keep civilized, be moral and to be functional. Without a God, their little lives will shatter and they seize to function as productive beings. Humanity will be like lost little children without their belief in a God or a myth.
I also somewhat believed in your theory. That is why I suggested to replace Islam with Zoroastrianism in Iran. If they must believe in a myth, then at least believe in a civilized myth (Zoroastrianism) than a blood thirsty barbarian myth (Islam)!
However now, I concentrate more on evolving the people, educating the people and informing them, so they can dump all superstition, religions and Gods in the dumpster of history (I know you love that metaphor)!“I do not believe we can dump any or all beliefs about God because who or what will replace the moral code people need to live by?”
In a distant future:
Logic, Rationality and Free Thinking will replace all myths and Gods.
This is called Human Evolution.
By the way,
Ancient Aliens Theory
I always wanted to ask you, I am sure you have seen all 4 series of “Ancient Aliens” on the History International Channel. So what is your take on it?
Here’s my take on it:
Alien Factor
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/philosophy ... /index.htm“Do you really want to dump the duality code of morality and eliminate the belief in a Supreme Intelligence, which is embodied in the God Ahura Mazda? Do we leave it up to a "free for all" for people to decide what is best for them or do people need education and direction of a proven code of ethics and morality? To dump religion all together is like going from the pan into the fire because independent thinking may not be from loving and sincere hearts but those who continue to cheat and live off the efforts of others.”
I can see where you are coming from. Humanity will be lost without God and Religion. You got a point. However, I prefer to evolve humanity to the point that it does not need a God to escape to, become slave to, and plan his whole life around this God to exist.
I do not believe Strong Minds are in need of a God to be moral, to live and to function by. Weak minds are in need of Gods, why not make everyone strong minded?“Ginex response: You're right Dr. X, but I refuse to put my head in the sand or throw up my hands in defeat. My mission is to inform and educate people about the history of God and spread the Word of God – love one another.”
That is why you are such an admirable person and a valuable scholar.“The question arises, is there a purpose for this unknown force to evolve inorganic matter and organic life? Does the Universe have as its ultimate goal, the desire to create life that can understand and appreciate the power of Its creation? Hence, I believe in the philosophical idea that intelligence pervades the universe and it is the Spirit of God. I do not believe in any gods but this unknowable, mysterious and incomprehensible God. We, as human beings, should live lives that emulate truth, love and harmony so that someday we may visit or be visited by living life forms from other worlds. I dare say, are we humans ready for such an experience or will we, through ignorance and fear, try to destroy such life forms?”
Again you are reading too much in to the story. This is just the way the system is. There is no mystery; there is no hidden plan or purpose. There is no destiny. There is no supreme intelligence with a special plan for us. This is simply how the Evolution works. This is how any planet Evolves. This is how creatures on a planet Evolve. This is how Humanity Evolves. We are just a small part of a greater picture. We are part of a Greater System. This is how Universe works. No mystery, No Higher Power, No Plans, No Destiny, No Gods. The system within itself is intelligent and that is why we refer to it as the “Universal Intelligence”.
Now if by Gods, you are talking about Aliens who possibly created us, then if we believe in this theory, I agree with you. There is a purpose and as genetically engineered creatures, we are results of an experiment for Aliens to see how far we can evolve from Apes!“Ginex response: You need to be careful with this statement, “Every single prophet in history of mankind was and is a charlatan.” Such a statement casts Zoroaster as a charlatan. Many prophets simply wanted to direct humans into a better life by providing a philosophy that explains the origin of the universe and provide a moral code based upon a universal intelligence or God. To simply say there is a universal intelligence without associating this intelligence with some entity, such as a force or energy I call God does not make the idea of Universal Intelligence superior.”
Correction:
Zarathustra was not a prophet but a simple poet and a philosopher. So I do not include Zarathustra amongst the Charlatans!
However, I can also see your point. Some of these prophets tried to direct the mankind for the better. They put the concept of “Universal Intelligence” the best that they could as a “God”.“Your statement, “Morality has nothing to do with religion! Logic destines you to be a decent moral person. You do not need religion to be moral!” believes Logic can be the foundation to be a decent moral person. This is not so when what is logical to one person is ridiculous to another. Who is to say which man’s Logic is superior to another’s? Morality has nothing to do with religion but it is the idea of a Supreme Intelligence or God that endorses morality. It so happens that it is a Priesthood, rather than a Government or Ruler, that provides the linkage between God and morality. Certainly, it is not science because moral codes of behaviour have nothing to do with science. It is the years of experience that mankind has developed the moral codes of behaviour to live in harmony with others.”
You are correct. Morality varies by historical era, location, ideology, culture and society; however, after passage of history, according to each his own era, there is a acceptable and logical code of morality to the creatures (in our case humans) who live in that time era. Eventually a certain code of ethics and morality becomes acceptable to the majority and this code will become the guideline of morality on that planet let’s say Earth on any certain era.
Religion may play an important role in it but religion is not necessarily the major factor to write this code. Human logic is the major factor to write this code.“God is a myth.
Religion is a superstition.
Prophets are charlatans.
God did not create everything.
Ginex response: God is a belief and a belief becomes real to the extent that people are willing to give up their lives or take the life of others for that belief. I do not know if it was God or an Energy Force that created everything. But when an Energy Force wills into existence matter that finally evolves into living life forms, I can define that Energy Force as being God. Do you have a better name for this Energy Force? It is wise to use this concept to define a God that has a purpose, which is to evolve intelligent life that may someday reach out to the universe and learn to comprehend, as creatures of this force that we should strive to be the best we can be by teaching justice, righteousness, truth, and learn to love one another.”
Nicholas, have you heard yourself? I did!
Again over here you slipped and unveiled your true nature as a Creationist!
God that has a purpose?
God that wants to evolve us?
So we can be the best that we can be?
So we can be good servants to our Supreme Master?“Everything (Matters, Energies and Spirits) have always existed.
Ginex response: Dr. X you need to be careful with the statement, “Everything (Matters, Energies and Spirits) have always existed.” I do not believe Spirits or Matter have always existed. However, there had to be a beginning, and that would have to be Energy. Call it Intelligence, if you would, but it is the will to exist, to create life by designing the building block of inorganic and organic matter – the atom, which evolves higher forms of life that may learn to understand the source of all creation.”
Matters, Energies and Spirits are what science has so far discovered as elements of our universe. In the future, if we discover more, then I will state them and include them in my writings. Spirits may have not always existed because they cannot exist without matters (Brain and Mind example); however, matters have always existed because all Universes were not all as a simple form of energy like a sun or a mass planet before the Big Bang. Maybe our universe was, but not all universes. There had to be existing matters which existed eternally.
You also throw the term creation in a manner that living creatures are the beginning of creation; however, life comes in different forms and some we have not discovered yet. Energy is life, huge suns in the space with variety and vast amounts of complex chemical interactions of gas and other elements are life, plants are life, trace of microscopic spiders from Mars are life, system of solar system with its detailed roots, gravity and patterns is life, all and all are life but in different format than complex animal life. Maybe we think Earth as a planet is not alive and it is only water, dirt and oxygen and .... but what is life after all? Earth is a living planet! Isn’t Earth alive?
Same goes for many other elements in the universe. Life is an intriguing issue and its definition is vast. What is life and what is not?“Ginex response: Gee, the statement, “This is religion for you, pure garbage.” is rather harsh because it condemns traditions that exist with many different people around the globe. I agree with your conclusion, but by nature I am a uniter; one that looks at the problem and tries to find ways to redirect religion on the path to encourage truth, embrace the sciences, and provide the knowledge for people to live in harmony whereby they are able to develop their God-given gifts for the benefit of mankind. Yes, Dr. X you are more realistic than I, but I love all people and seek ways to have them learn to love one another. Gee, I believe the command given by Jesus three times in the Gospel of John is the greatest command given to man – love one another.”
The statement is harsh but it is true.
You seem to have your faith in humanity but I have lost my faith in humanity a long ago! Generally speaking, humanity is what is destroying this planet. I prefer plants over humans!
Love one another? Brotherly love? Nicholas, you are a good human being but for a conservative, you are way too liberal! Are you a conservative?
Survival in the Jungle
I understand that you do much good and charitable work and make many lonely, elderly and ill people happy. You are a good human and a humanist. You are most likely a pacifist and possibly a libertarian.
But, in my line of work and in “Real Life”, you cannot turn the other cheek (Jesus Style)!
You see, Liberal America is fighting a politically correct and a civilized war while Islamists are finding infidels any where they can and behead them! This is why the West is losing this war to Islam.
West is talking human rights and civil rights for Muslim Terrorists, and Muslims are beheading the infidels and consider them as cockroaches!
Humanity versus Sheer Brutal Violence
Civilized World versus Islam
Go figure who wins!
Hitler Said ...
Hitler used to say,
“Why our religion (Westerners) must be the religion of slavery (Christianity). Why our religion is not aggressive, offensive, war loving, man making and conquering like Islam? I wish our religion was Islam!”
Eye for an Eye!
Western Liberal Pacifism and Islam do not match. They are incompatible.
Double Dose of Violence is the answer to the Islamic Violence.
Buddy, if I was thinking like you and doing what I do, then I would have been dead 2 decades ago! Anybody who was anyone as far as the Iranian opposition leaders, philosophers and doers including my masters and predecessors have already been assassinated by the IRI and Hezbollah. All are dead, Hoveyda, Bakhtiar, Shafiq, etc.
The only reason that I am still alive is because:
A) Ahreeman doesn’t play that game!
B) Ahreeman is extremely violent.
C) Ahreeman retaliates with extreme prejudice.
Actually I am not prejudiced but I believe:
“Kill them all, let Allah sort them out!”
So it is not Eye for an Eye, but with me it is:
4 Eyes for an Eye!
I am far from humanitarian, pacifist, brotherly loved, animal rights, environmentalist, tree hugger, liberal, isolationist, and turn the other cheek!
I am about Darwinism, Social Darwinism, Survival of the Fittest, Strong Survives and Weak Dies, Top of the Food Chain, Law of the Jungle, Animal Laws and Evolution.
Throughout my personal life, political life and social life ... a few times I went all the way to Hell and Back to life, had near death experiences, been down but not out, been down in the gutter and been at the bottom of the food chain, yet I dug my way out of the grave, burned like a phoenix from the ashes of defeat and climbed my way from the bottom back to the top of the food chain. I am a survivor. I learned to survive in the street and in harsh climates and environments. Evolutionary speaking, I have mutated to be the fittest, to survive the death. With me, it is all about the Survival, and survival not for personal gains and personal health, but survival to continue my mission.
The Question?
It is essential for me to live to complete my mission. This mission will be completed with or without me, but let’s be frank. Without me, the road will be rocky, the weather will be hazy and it will take twice a time for this mission to be completed! With me alive, this mission will take sooner to be completed, it will be completed properly and it will be completed smoothly.
Above statement is not arrogance but it is fact. What I do, makes a huge difference in changing the minds of the future generation. I can change a future Islamist Fundamentalist to a Free Thinker.
Do you like Mathematics and odds? I do! Math is logic.
You are an unbiased person; let me ask you a question:
Question: Are the odds of a future progressive and “globally accepted” desired Iran as a regional and a continental power to coexist with the globe rather than being the central heart of the global Islamist Fundamentalist Movement, better or worse?
A) With Ahreeman alive and IPC Operating?
B) With Ahreeman dead and IPC not operating?
Simple question, simple answer, and it has nothing to do with arrogance or modesty but it has everything to do with rationality and realism, Shoot?“Ginex response: Dear Dr. X, I am fully aware of Muslim extremists that will want to silence my voice and eliminate the book Allah, We, Our and Us from being read by people all around the globe. But to take my life would be a mistake because the book will gain even more notice and become a best seller in many countries. The best way for Muslim Imams, Caliphs, and Mullahs to act is to challenge any portion of the book and try to reveal it has no merit or truth. This book provides verses directly out of the Qur’an and it would be a sign of arrogance to try to have people believe other than what the Qur’an reveals.”
Not to worry, Jesus loves you and Holy Spirit will protect you from the Islamist harm, but in case they fail to do so, then just call your local gun dealer and stock up on Ammo, either that or provide the Semi Autos and grenade launchers (my favourites) and call Satan (Ahreeman). I’ll be your honey suckle, will you be my Daisy?
Yes brother, Jesus loves you but Smith and Wesson will protect you!“Ginex response: Unfortunate but true. You are correct that Islam is a disease as it motivates Muslims to kill innocent people who do not believe in Allah.”
Amen brother Nick, Amen!
Can I have a Halleluiah? Can I have an Amen?!“Ginex response: Dear Dr. X, I am honored that you have taken the time to learn more about me and wrote detailed comments that allow me to understand your views and to give my own beliefs additional thought. This is an opportunity to learn from a highly educated man about Persian religious beliefs.”
If you only knew how much time it took! But you are well worth it. You are a gentleman and a scholar. One must debate people of intellect so he can learn something from them and that is why I am debating you.“Thank you.”
You are most welcome.“Your conversations with me may stimulate others to think about God not as a Lord above all but simply the Creator and Maker of All there is. Can we make God proud of His creations? Perhaps, someday science, moral behaviour, and a spiritual belief in God can be combined to improve our social outlook and ethical behaviour.”
Here you go with God and Scripture again!“Nicholas P. Ginex”
Pope Nicholas Ginex?
But you are absolutely correct. These debates will attract a huge number of Curious people, Hungry people for knowledge, intellectuals, scholars and most important, the youth to read them and question everything that they have been taught at school so far! Debate and Argumentation is good and productive. Everyone learns something from it.
Nicholas, you are far from dogmatic and in fact you are very open minded and this makes you a productive scholar.
More power to you and All Free Thinkers
“Many are schooled, yet only a few are truly educated.”
Amen Brother!
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Re: Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex & Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex and Ahreeman X – Jan 20-30, 2014
Greetings Dr. Ahreeman X,
This is a response to your e-mail of January 19, 2014 on the IPC link below:
I had planned to respond sooner but time was taken to review the files provided for my next book, Allah, We, Our and Us and, my wife and I baby-sitting two grandchildren Monday through Thursday.
Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex & Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
by Ahreeman X » Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:24 pm
Dialogue Response by Nicholas Ginex to Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
Ginex response Jan 31, 2014
How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects
Part 1: Micro Aspects (Introduction)
I am honoured that you have accepted me as your peer to engage in the philosophical debate of morality, existence of a Universal Intelligence, understand and deal with the Islamic threat, and how people worldwide may learn to live together in harmony.
By you elevating my being as a valuable author, philosopher, and free thinker, I feel highly flattered as it is you that has far exceeded scholarship with books and articles dealing with religion and ethics. It feels nice and gratifying to receive a pat on the back from a man of your intellectual background and worldly experience.
You wrote a very important passage, “This debate and debates such as this are not only beneficial for Nicholas and I, because we learn a thing or two from one another but they are most beneficial for “All” to learn a thing or two from the debate; however, they are crucially educational for the youth, because after reading this or similar debates, they shall begin to question everything which they have been taught in school and they will start researching to make up their own minds about various issues. This debate and similar debates such as this will provide you the stepping stones as the primary steps to do critical thinking, independent thinking and free thinking to build your opinion based on rationality and facts. Feel free to read, follow the thread and to participate.”
I have addressed you as Dr. X, but I believe you do not glorify yourself with “Doctor” and prefer Ahreeman, Ahreeman X, or AX. I will use Ahreeman and you may simply refer to me as Nicholas. NG is a mnemonic that I avoid. As an Engineering Aide for an engineering company I was requested to initial my approval of changes with NPG instead of NG because it appears to indicate “No Good.” P stands for my middle initial “Paul,” which may imply for NPG, “Nicholas Pretty Good.” I like Nicholas because it also associates me with Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas), which I enjoyed being for my four daughters in their early years. The most precious moments were being able to look straight into their faces and see their eyes of wonder as I held them and sang Jingle Bells and Silent Night.
Ahreeman, like you, I am a traditionalist of sorts because I enjoy the many different ways humans of different cultures express their joy. I always sample food from different cultures because I contend if they like it there must be a flavor that I must learn to appreciate. This is a wonderful world if we all learn to accept one another as human beings worthy of love and compassion. Why limit yourself to one group of people when by accepting all people the world becomes a bigger playground and one where you can choose from many of the opposite sex to realize happiness.
I must share a few thoughts to your subtitle, “A Word with Nicholas Ginex.”
Ahreeman, it appears that you are perceptive about my nature as you describe the personal time I spent singing and playing the guitar for people in nursing homes and care centers. However I did not bring them cookies, flowers and presents just myself in a black pair of pants, a frilly white shirt and black patented leader shoes. But in addition to singing, I loved to talk to them and give them the attention few people take time to do. I performed for a full hour and did receive $30 to $40 dollars and many times performed for nothing. I felt as a matter of fairness a little money for my travel by car and my dry cleaning bills was a way to feel appreciated. But I must say, I had memories of my grandmother who loved to sing and it was this exposure that made me relate to older people. The smiles on their faces and joy in their eyes were treasures that made me feel worthy as a human being. As you wrote, my gift of music for the elderly made “me feel good about myself.”
Now Ahreeman, I come to your subtitle, “You are a Better Man than I.”
Do not sell yourself short; you are a man among men. I could not do the amount of work you put in to construct a website with the aim to inform and educate people about wonderful Persian traditions and knowledge they contributed to the human race. We are all different with different gifts. Your technical knowledge and a grasp of Persian history captures and provides for those who thirst knowledge, an avenue to quench that thirst. Spending time to research the truth about the past is not a selfish act but one of discipline, objectiveness, and desire to teach others of what you have learned.
Your hope for not just Iran but for a better world is one I wish for success. It is my hope that people will realize that we are all human beings and should try to make each succeeding generation more educated, loving, and compassionate.
I do like the use of “Amen” at the end of your writing. It shows you have not completely discarded the significance of this Egyptian God.
Ahreeman, I comment on your subtitle, “Change.”
You were not born a rebel but through circumstances in life you were tailored to be a rebel. Nobody is born to be a saint, a rebel, or anything else. It is how we are brought up in our formative years that the mind, as a blackboard, receives knowledge and the heart receives and is nurtured with love and understanding. It is the mothers and fathers of each generation that need to be schooled in ethics, morality, and respect for integrity and truth. Until our educational system opens the doors to honor these attributes and advances an education that teaches objectivity and scrutiny of information we will forever go around in circles.
Like you, I hope and work for better days. As difficult as it may be, to not try to have human beings aspire to the next stage of development is to be dead, void of purpose.
My comments to your subtitle, “Dear Nicholas.”
Yes, as a first time using your website, I was not aware of use of the “Quote” button. Sorry that you almost got blinded by the light of Amen in trying to follow my responses to your comments.
Your subsection, “BB Code Guide” was very instructive. However, it would be easier if I could simply paste a Word created document, fully annotated with bold and color type directly into a Response Reply. Most writers prefer to create a document on MicroSoft Word and paste it into a Response Reply.
Regarding the subtitle, B) Get an Avatar.
It seems you have already added a photo of me on the website reply to your e-mail. I will add a photo of myself on the e-mail that provides this response so that my article has a face.
Ahreeman, you answered my comment, “You tend to hang onto the spiritual view created by past Persian thinkers.” with the following response:
“(A) Ancient Persian Philosophy such as Zarathustra’s philosophy speaks of Ahura Mazda as the “Universal Intelligence” meaning not as a Big Guy sitting in the sky and creating all universes and everything in them, but it is defining the “System” of dynamic, evolving and ever changing progressive interactions between the matters, energies and spirits which has been, is and will be running all universes and making it to functionally go on … This system is not the results of a thinking person’s or thinking entity’s creation, yet the complete system is intelligent!
This system was never created, will never be destroyed and it is always changing forms to evolve. This complete system made up of matters, energies and spirits within itself is intelligent.
B) I, also basically believe in the same thing! I believe that Everything in existence [Matters, Energies and Spirits (elements so far known)], was never created, will not be destroyed and always change forms within and from and to one another to evolve.
There never was or is a creator or an intelligent entity designed and created all. The system within itself is intelligent.”
To your response, I agree that the system was never created but evolved beginning with the smallest particles partially discovered in the study of quantum mechanics. These are the smallest particles that make up the elements of an atom, the building block of all inorganic and organic matter. Where I differ with your belief, is that I do not subscribe to the existence of Spirits along with Energy and Matter. Spirits are a human concept that connotes mysterious entities similar to gods used to explain an intelligence that created an evolving system or all there is.
I believe there was a beginning from possibly nothing. Energy and Matter did not always exist and merely change form. I believe there is an intelligence that forms with the development of Energy and Matter and it has successfully been able to form forces, such as electromagnetic waves and gravity that is inherent within the design of the atom. Scientists are investigating the mathematics and existence of string particles as the earliest particles that developed higher forms of particles that began to have positive and negative properties. The time it took to develop particles large enough to form gases and clouds that merged to form matter is incomprehensible.
At our present stage of the universe, I have come to believe that we now have a self-sustaining universe, which did not begin with the “Big Bang.” Scientists have observed that there are quasars, pulsars, and black holes. Explosions from these phenomenons expel gases, matter, and energy back out into the universe whereby massive clouds become the bed for the birth of new stars. Therefore, it is short-sighted to believe that it all started from a massive big ball to cause the big bang.
Ahreeman, you wrote that “the complete system is intelligent.” This is a deduction based upon the evolving of inorganic matter and organic life forms on our planet and surely many other planets throughout the universe. When living life forms appear, capable of thinking and gaining an understanding of themselves and their world, they begin to reach out to the expanse of the universe to try to understand how it all began and question if there is intelligence that pervades the universe. The duality principles of good and bad, love and hate, heaven and hell, seem to be counterparts to negative and positive properties of matter. As Zoroaster appeared to believe, there is a balance between these duel forces that must be maintained in order to attain a successful life.
Ahreeman, the wrote an interesting idea, “We as scientists also believe in Spirits and Spirituality. But our spirits cannot exist without matters and energies!”
I do not believe scientists believe in Spirits and Spirituality. At least, I surely don’t. The idea of a spirit is a man-made concept similar to the idea of a soul. Religious leaders have developed the concept of a soul to extend their belief in immortality or an infinite future with their god after death. Variations of the soul concept are that it can return into another life form based upon the previous life being spent doing greater works than bad acts.
I do believe that the mind can generate thought waves that can be intercepted by others who have the same or similar nature. As long as the mind functions, all things are possible for it has the ability to construct ideas and theories that may be realized. But once it stops functioning, like all other matter, it becomes part of the universe to be transformed into other energy and matter. Sorry, but as my father would say, when your dead your dead.
Ahreeman, regarding your thoughts “On My Spirituality,” I believe you conceive that your spirit consists of what you have “learned and earned through humanity, martial arts teachings, universal thinking, rational pondering and logically configuring.” However, these are human learnings that have nothing to do with the Spirit. You have groomed yourself with worthwhile interests in humanity, sciences, and logical thinking. This forms an intelligent human being without any need of Spirit. It is your mind that is precious and your heart that makes your body act – not your spirit, which is simply a concept, a construct of the mind that people have been taught by religious leaders to believe is another entity.
Ahreeman, you offer some worthwhile thoughts on Morality. You provided the following:
Science has everything to do with morality!
Science has everything to do with Logic.
Logic dictates what is logically Moral.
Rationally Moral thinking and behavior establishes Morality codes.
In formula: Science => Logic => Morality
Human sense and logic makes us to build a moral code of ethics and morality.
Morality is more scientific and logic than having anything to do with God and Religion.
Moral due to Logic not Religion!
Ahreeman, I do equate science with facts and logic built upon facts. However, science does not lead to moral behavior. Moral behavior never relied on science and logic to be accepted by a community of people. True, moral behavior has been linked to a way to be accepted by a higher entity called god. But also, many different communities that had no formal religion had developed modes of conduct so that they could live together in harmony. But it had nothing to do with science or even logic. It was simply a way to exist and live together in peace.
You make a good point that Muslims have a moral code but their code encourages bigotry, hatred, violence, and the killing of innocent people who do not believe in their god Allah. Muslims use the logic that they have the only true religion and therefore want to subjugate all other people with their religion. But this is logic gone astray. What is logical to one people is illogical to another. Logic is built upon premises and many times the premises are faulty. Logic is not a science. It is the way people have been brought up to conceive the world. It is science that eliminates faulty logic by dealing with known and repeatable facts.
What is moral in one community may not be acceptable in another and this becomes apparent when we contrast one religion with another. Moral codes vary by how extreme one community is brought up over another. Therefore I do not believe it is science and logic that defines morality. It is the experience of “hard knocks” in the real world that communities learn to coexist with one another. Their experience leads to the development of a moral code acceptable to all and has nothing to do with science or logic. Yes, common sense plays a big part. But here too, few people are able to use common sense as they go through life making one mistake after another. Education is key to teach ethics, integrity, justice and truth. These are not scientific facts but behavior patterns to lead wholesome productive lives.
Ahreeman, in response to my writing, “but I am looking for solutions that will bring harmony and peace to people around the world.” you wrote the following few lines that made me laugh:
“Then shall we call you Mother Theresa? Or Pope Nicholas P. Ginex?”
Ha, ha. That was good. I am not a pope, a saint, or a prophet and prefer you just call me Nicholas.
We now review your thoughts and comments of our dialogue referred to as,
Part 2: Macro Aspects
A Few points from your Post
Aryan Migration
Mr. Ahreeman, I found your maps provided a clear understanding when Aryans migrated into early Persian life by entering the Susa kingdom Era. I was particularly interested in the 2nd Aryan Migration between 1700 and 1300 BCE. The Baltic peoples had advanced southward into Mitanni during this period. Mitanni was invaded by the Egyptian army of Thutmose III during his 8th campaign, circa 1468 BCE. This was the furthest Thutmose went as far north as Carchemish and southward along the Eurphrates River to Nuy. He had crossed the Eurphrates into Mitanni and set up his boundary tablet on the east side, an achievement of which none of the former pharaohs could boast (A History of Egypt, James H. Breasted, page 303).
Thutmose III was an astute military leader that was on the throne for 54 years, ending in 1447 BCE. It is to be noted that Thutmose not only had the sons, prisoners of Palestine, Syria, and conquered countries brought back to Egypt to be taught their religious views and cultural ways so that when their dynastic fathers died they would disseminate the Egyptian culture in their lands, but he even married a Mitannian princess, Mutemuya, who became the mother of the next king of Egypt, Amenhotep III.
It cannot be over stressed that the people of Mitanni had received great exposure of Egyptian traditions and religious thought. Even the son of Thutmose III, Amenhotep III married the daughter Gilukhipa of Shuttarna, king of Mitanni. This king was the son of the Mitanni king Artatana, who enjoyed a cordial relationship with Thutmose IV. Even Amenhotep III son, Amenhotep IV married a Mitannian princess, Tadukhipa, daughter of king Dushratta (A History of Egypt, James H. Breasted, page 333). It was Amenhotep IV that revolutuonized the concept of, or belief in god, by stopping the worship of many Egyptian gods and worship only one god, Aton-Ra.
It was this intermarriage between the pharaohs of Egypt and Mitanni that allowed for the exchange of new ideas regarding the worship of god(s). The exposure of Amenhotep IV to religious thought with Mitannians, Nubians, and his conversations with craftsmen while inspecting buildings, temples, and irrigation waterways, had to give him a wilder perspective of the world. It was this pharaoh that introduced the concept and worship of one universal God. This god was a combination of the supreme sun god Ra and Aton, which was personalized with the symbol of the sun with outward hands that infer the gift of life. A detailed account of Amenhotep IV life is provided in my first book, Future of God Amen.
In addition to the intermarriage of Mitanni and Egyptian royalty with numerous offspring, it would appear that the Mitannians were a progressive people who influenced the ideas of morality and gods in the neighboring country of Suza. It would be an educated guess that Zoroaster was exposed to the Egyptian views of god, which were documented during the reign of Ramses II, circa 1292-1225 BCE. Around 1270 BCE, the Priesthood of Amon had finally embraced Amenhotep IV belief in one god by writing scripture titled, Amon As the Sole God. It was this initial belief in one-universal god that inspired the Moses Exodus from Egypt around 1250 BCE. This Egyptian belief strongly influenced Moses, which culminated in the creation of the first five books, referred to as the Torah, written in 950 BCE.
Ahreeman, you wrote that, “An Atheist believes in Science. An Atheist is not dogmatic. An atheist believes whatever the science can prove up to this point. If tomorrow the science proves there is a God, then the Atheist believes in God (unlikely)!”
An atheist may or may not believe in science and in fact have very little knowledge of science. You are attributing too much to the intelligence of an atheist. To disbelieve in god is totally a subjective decision and need not be based upon scientific knowledge. The decision not to believe in god is simply a disagreement with a philosophy that deals with god. And for sure, there are many philosophies that are conjured up by the mind that do not make sense. They are views to try to explain something. Fortunately, scientists try to prove their theories, which were first philosophical ideas that after much logical thought became a reality. For example, 100 years ago little was known about electrons and the transmission of waves that can be viewed on a computer screen. The first step in man’s evolution to understand his world is to construct thought and that thought may or may not become as reality.
"How can you be an Evolutionist but not an Atheist?"
So I am an evolutionist who does not reject my conception of god, which is a force that is unknown, mysterious, and incomprehensible. That force has nothing to do with the creationist idea that it was God that created all there is and has created man in His image. This is illogical thinking. My god consists of the forces contending in the universe to express itself by evolving inorganic and organic matter. My questions are: “Is there a purpose to evolve (for the creation of) intelligent life? Does the universe have a goal to evolve intelligent life so that such life may look back into the universe and appreciate its forces? Does the universe have a vanity, like living humans, to be respected and understood for its crowning ability to evolve living life forms that also possesses intelligence? Does that intelligence pervade the universe?
Ahreeman, regarding if I am an atheist, agnostic, or a believer in evolution, It is the latter of the three. I believe in the love of life that our universe has endowed to us. I call it humanity, because I revere all the life forms that our intelligent universe has evolved. We are part of the system that has been created by our universe. Some people call this intelligence God. But I am not able to know this God except by the images and attributes others teach me. And who is to say their philosophical view of God is correct? By simply enjoying the gifts of life that now exist is my humanistic point of view.
Ahreeman, you wrote:
“What is known as the original Zoroastrianism is in fact the revised Zoroastrianism by the Mobeds! The original Zoroastrianism is what I wrote about. No God, No Holy Spirit, No Evil, No Absolute, No Master, No Servant, .... but only “Universal Intelligence”.
You need to provide evidence that Zoroaster believed in Universal Intelligence and had no appreciation for Good versus Evil, Saints and Spirits. He did believe in Ahura Mazda, a god that represented his views about the universe. Universal Intelligence is an idea that, I believe, evolved after Zoroaster for the people of his time had no idea of the expanse of the universe and how it evolved. Please cite documentation that clearly presents Zoroaster’s conception or belief in a Universal Intelligence.
"You can’t believe in Evolution and then talk about Holy Spirit!"
Ahreeman, you clarified that Holy Spirit or Spirit, if an entity, evolved matter and energy then I am a creationist. I agree there needs to be clarification in that I meant creation that involves the evolution of matter from the smallest of particles to atoms and then inorganic and organic matter. I should not use the idea of Spirit that initiated the evolutionary process because the existence of a Spirit implies a God. Actually, I believe it is electromagnetic and gravitational forces that are associated with energy that initiated the evolutionary process. You are right in that I should not use the term Holy Spirit. I was poetically inclined to identify the unknowable forces that appear to possess a universal intelligence as a “Holy Spirit that pervades the universe.” However, be assured, I do not know this Spirit as being God. God is a man-made concept.
"Do you believe Spirits created the matters and energies?"
Ahreeman, as I wrote above, I do not believe in Spirits as it implies an intelligence that has the creative abilities to evolve matter and/or energy. I believe intelligence is like that of a baby. Universal intelligence evolved as matter evolved and found a way to sustain its life. To conceptualize it was Spirits is like conceptualizing God as the initiator of the universe. I also believe aliens exist but they are so far away in terms of travelling with the speed of light, that it would be a miracle for aliens to reach earth. Little green men would also be part of the evolutionary process and they may be big instead of little.
Ahreeman, I confess that I am an Evolutionist. I do not subscribe to the hypothetical belief that spirits always existed along with energy and matter. I do believe in an intelligence, which I defined as the Holy Spirit. However, it is not the spirit of God but is the mysterious, unknowable, and incomprehensible force(s) that I assign a name to and for no other good name, I call this Holy Spirit God.
There appears to be reluctance to call the universal intelligence God. I agree and understand this reluctance because people associate the concept of God with what they have been taught by their religious leaders. I characterize the unknowable force(s) as an intelligence I refer to as the Holy Spirit that pervades the universe. This unknowable force is my only concept of God. However, please understand that I use the word “Holy” as reverence for this universal intelligence and envision it as the Holy Spirit that pervades the universe. This is my own hypothetical belief and since I have nothing to replace this belief, it is the best my mind can accept for now.
Scientific Theory and Law
Therefore, I do not subscribe to the idea that matter always existed.
"So you defy Laws of Physics? Conservation Law of Matters and Energies?
Matters and Energies have never been created, will never be destroyed, yet they always change forms to one another.”
Ahreeman, your belief in the Laws of Physics, whereby matter and energy have never been created but always existed whereby they can change forms is a limited view of the beginning of the universe. I always thought you could not get something from nothing. To think matter and energy always existed is just a belief. I believe matter and energy are interrelated but evolved from nothing and this is becoming a prevalent theory being investigated in the science of quantum mechanics. If you are an evolutionist, you must perceive that there must have been a beginning in the formation of all matter and energy. To say matter and energy always existed is limiting your thirst for knowledge to understand the beginning of the universe.
You see, I am a true evolutionist. Understand that certain laws of physics that hold in our earthly world are not the same in the universe. Einstein illustrated with the theory of relativity that time is relative and is not constant in all cases.
"Do you see why I call you a Closet Creationist?"
Ahreeman, in response to my following thought, “ It remains for science to solve the question did God always exist or was it Energy that formed matter, which later was able to evolve both inorganic matter and organic life where highly developed life forms, like humans, begin to think about their existence. It is the higher life forms that are the crown achievement of this Energy whereby they reach back out to the universe to understand the Energy, a force, that created all there is.”
You wrote:
“Buddy, your philosophical view of the universe is similar to a Creationist’s View. You try hard not to believe so, and you try hard to polish your beliefs in a manner that it appears scientific;
however, deep inside, you view, sound, argue, example and declare as a Creationist.”
Ahreeman, you do not like the word create, created, or creationist. Perhaps, you would rather have had me rephrase the sentence above as, “It is the higher life forms that are the crown achievement of this Energy whereby they reach back out to the universe to understand the Energy, a force, that caused the development of inorganic matter and organic life forms.”
Notice that I deleted reference to the phrase, “that created all there is.” I did not mean to use the word “created” in a god but evolutionary sense.
Ahreeman, you wrote: “I cannot set aside the science and logic and hang on to Unknown hypothesis, based on no rational system, when it suits me! This is not the scientific way!”
I agree with the scientific approach whereby scientific theories are advanced and verified until they are replaced with other theories. It is part of the learning process. You need to not jump at the word ‘created’ for I use it as a verb that introduces matter and life forms without the belief in God. I have told you that I do not know if God exists but I do believe that there is a Universal Intelligence, a force I don’t mine calling the Spirit or God because this force has developed (created) marvelous life forms that are interrelated and function together as a system.
The difference between your belief system and mine is that you believe matter and energy always existed. As for me, I believe there was a beginning for the evolutionary process that finally evolved a universe of galaxies, stars, and planets. Quantum mechanics is trying to understand the phenomenon of the generation of something from nothing. To say the universe always existed with its totality of matter and energy is an unproven belief. Just as the Big Bang is a belief. To believe the big bang exploded and caused the development of all the galaxies and stars in the universe is nonsense.
How Everything Came to Existence?
Part 3: General Aspects
Ahreeman, you wrote: “You cannot believe in Evolution as it suits you but one minute later, you preach about the Holy Spirit!” You then posed the question: “It all comes down to are you a Creationist, Evolutionist or Agnostic?”
Dr. X, it appears that you are offended in my use of the Holy Spirit because you associate it with religion(s). I therefore will modify my use of Holy Spirit that pervades the Universe to simply a Spirit or Universal Intelligence. You do not seem to mind the use of Spirits, Energy and Matter coexisting. But I at least refuse to believe in Spirits but only a Universal Intelligence that pervades the Universe, which somehow has an effect on the development (Note the avoidance of the word creation) of inorganic matter and organic life forms. I am therefore an Evolutionist.
Ahreeman, you bring up some very thoughtful views about the history of the Christian religion. I can appreciate that the Persian beliefs in gods and goddesses have an effect of the development of the Christian religion. However, the roots of the belief in one-universal god originated in Egypt and a history of its development has been documented in my books, Future of God Amen and Amen. It is without question that there was also an influence by the neighboring countries and the many similarities between the birth of Jesus, his mother Mary, and the eating of bread and wine were adopted by the Jewish priests who wrote the Gospels. You mentioned such similarities as:
* Mitra was the daughter of the virgin Goddess Anahita.
* Jesus was the son of the virgin mother Mary!
* Mitra was born on December 25th.
* Jesus was born on December 25th.
* Mitraists were having bread and wine at Mitraist Temples
* Christians are having bread and wine at communions in churches!
I wrote above that the Egyptian pharaohs, starting with Thutmose III (1501-1447 BCE, which includes Thutmose II and the Queen Hatshepsut), had intermarried with the princesses of the Kings of Mitanni. Surely, the beliefs of Mitanni’s neighbors, such as the Persians, have caused cross-pollination of religious beliefs.
As I wrote many times in my books, former generations of people adopt the religious beliefs of other groups and a more formalized belief takes form. So I say it is not thievery or coincidences but a process of spiritual development that becomes more refined as mankind tries to understand a relationship with the creator they call god.
Ahreeman, you indicated, “Does direct copy/pasting of the Persian Philosophy of Mithraism sounds familiar?” Yes, but to what extent does Persian Philosophy copy the existing beliefs that originated out of Egypt? We know that the Hebrew priests also copied and pasted many views from Egyptian scripture or hymns and I have documented this in the books I wrote. So let us not fall into the trap that any one people were the sole inventor of religious beliefs or the philosophy of Universal Intelligence that became accepted at some period of time.
It is nice to be a strong proponent of your race, culture, and heritage, but do not take on the erroneous belief that your religion is the best or true religion. This is an arrogant view of all religions, which has caused bigotry, hatred, violence, and the killing of innocent people who have their own religious beliefs.
Ahreeman, I agree with your statement, “In other words you are stating that humanity is too primitive not to believe in God; therefore, we must hand them some type of God to believe in, keep civilized, be moral and to be functional. Without a God, their little lives will shatter and they seize to function as productive beings. Humanity will be like lost little children without their belief in a God or a myth.”
However, from a practical approach, the belief in God will exist no matter how much logic is presented. So I attempt to challenge the R&R (religious and ruling) authorities to the point of embarrassment of their dogma so that they will understand that they are at the root of much discontent around the world. The R&Rs must revise their scriptures or they will eventually stagnate and die because people like you and me will continue to exist and will grow in numbers to the point that they have no alternative but to update their scriptures.
Your approach is, “I concentrate more on evolving the people, educating the people and informing them, so they can dump all superstition, religions and Gods in the dumpster of history (I know you love that metaphor)!”
You believe Human Evolution based upon Logic, Rationality and Free Thinking will replace all myths and Gods. I do not from a realistic and objective view agree because the wonderful world of free thinking will devise many different views, many that will contradict and confuse the views of others. However, I do believe in ethics, morality and integrity. These are attributes, not scientific theories or facts, which should be taught at all levels of education and become the cornerstones of Human Education and Evolution. The concept of belief in God is simply an idea that bounds these attributes because one would think they are what the unknown force, or Universal Intelligence would want out of its evolution of thinking organisms.
Think about it. The above paragraph is where I have evolved in my belief in the unknown, mysterious, and incomprehensible force we refer to as Universal Intelligence or God. The thing is that people have got to be honest with themselves and not make up God into some image, a construct of the mind, but to realize this force is the progenitor of the universe that evolved all its inorganic and living life forms. Therefore my conception of God is in line with the evolutionary process but I am not afraid to define God as a Universal Intelligence that pervades the universe.
We all have different beliefs and mine is not dictated by any formal set of rules, traditions, and rituals. It is all based upon the attributes the Egyptians originally emulated and worshipped, righteousness, truth and justice. These outcomes are achievable with the study of ethics, morality, and integrity. This is my credo and my religion. I hope the world of tomorrow will accept and teach such attributes at all levels of education. That is how we can become better human beings and a credit to the unknown force or Universal Intelligence that evolved all there is.
Ahreeman, you wrote,” We are part of a Greater System. This is how Universe works. No mystery, No Higher Power, No Plans, No Destiny, No Gods. The system within itself is intelligent and that is why we refer to it as the “Universal Intelligence”.
As human beings have done throughout the ages, they think and such thinking evolves ideas and philosophical views about their existence and their lives. To believe there is no higher power, no plans, no destiny but still refer to this as Universal Intelligence appears to show little regard for this force. It is a wonderful and marvelous revelation to know that a Universal Intelligence has as its purpose the evolution of living life forms that can think, reach out, and learn to appreciate the unknown force we call Universal Intelligence. When I look at a butterfly, a flower, and the many creatures that surround us, I cannot believe that the Universal Intelligence has no purpose in evolving the highest form of life that can look up and appreciate its wonders. One cannot help feel that this Universal Intelligence evolved life for some purpose. This is why mankind will always believe in God even though that god we call Universal Intelligence cannot be seen or it existence comprehended.
As far as aliens are concerned, I do not believe aliens care to genetically engineer apes into humans. The nearest star is 43 light years away and to find a planet that has the conditions to evolve intelligent life forms is a near impossibility. We are now talking about hundreds of light years for an alien to travel in a spaceship. To conceive a spaceship able to withstand millions upon millions of miles becomes inconceivable, but all things are possible.
Ahreeman, below, you presented some very interesting questions for me:
God that has a purpose?
God that wants to evolve us?
So we can be the best that we can be?
So we can be good servants to our Supreme Master?
I again state that nobody knows if God exists. The best we can agree on is that there is a Universal Intelligence. We do know this UI is involved in developing living life forms. To say such life forms should try to be the best they can be is for me, a noble undertaking. However, to say this UI or God is a supreme master that wants us to be good servants is a foolish idea. The UI I speak of has no interest in heaven or hell or life forms living eternally. This is a manmade concept and a foolish one at that. However, it was the start of our spiritual growth to understand the unknowable force we call UI or God.
Ahreeman, you wrote, “You seem to have your faith in humanity but I have lost my faith in humanity long ago! Generally speaking, humanity is what is destroying this planet. I prefer plants over humans!"
Again, I cannot but help to agree with your assessment of the human race. But like it or not, we both are fighting to make this a better world. You have invested a lot of time and money in the creation of your website to help correct the injustice and eliminate the abominations of Muslim extremists and I have written books to show religious leaders a path to reconciliation of their differences. True, our efforts may never be realized, but if we don’t try to correct the wrongs by stupid religious organizations the situation can only get worse. I commend you for the work you have done and yes, Ahreeman X is an asset to direct humanity onto a better path of peace and harmony. The worse we can do is to be passive and allow the cancer to grow. However, when the time comes for the free countries of the world to stand together to eliminate the cancerous growth of a theocratic empire then they/we must be fight to preserve their/our freedoms.
By the way, I think you are being overly dramatic by saying you prefer plants over humans. I have been a successful lover in my time of youth and the memories of wonderful relationships with such humans will always be a part of my life. Then, there is my wife, my four personable and intelligent daughters that gave me their husbands or sons that conceived five grandchildren. Life is tough but we must as human beings make our world better for those who will take our place.
Ahreeman, I agree with much of your thinking about life but I do make a distinction that life is when a thing is able to exist as a living entity, such as plants, birds, fish, and animals. Inorganic matter, such as rocks, gases, and elements that do not process their external environment to sustain themselves do not have life, which possesses some level of intelligence. True, inorganic matter is made up of the same atoms as living matter but their atoms have coalesced into forms incapable of thinking. However, the universe is alive with inorganic matter that is capable of generating life forms through the evolutionary process. But this process requires the right conditions of heat and moisture for the growth of vegetation and finally, life forms.
Still, I appreciate your perspective that the universe is alive with all its matter and energy for it is the universe, or Universal Intelligence that is capable of evolving (creating) living life forms.
Ahreeman, you wrote,
“Liberal America is fighting a politically correct and a civilized war while Islamists are finding infidels anywhere they can and behead them! This is why the West is losing this war to Islam.
West is talking human rights and civil rights for Muslim Terrorists, and Muslims are beheading the infidels and consider them as cockroaches!
Humanity versus Sheer Brutal Violence
Civilized World versus Islam
Go figure who wins!”
Yes Ahreeman, you are absolutely right that to turn the other cheek at the expense of losing your life is very stupid indeed. Bur this policy is mandated by President Obama who reflects the way our government treats Muslims by giving them a pass on their violent behavior. It is clear that Obama is at heart a Muslim or has been greatly influenced by Islamic teachings during his youth. You showed a photo of Obama as a young man being taught Islamic instruction. How authentic is that photo? If it is real, some text should be written about that photo on your website.
Ahreeman, you have clearly indicated your mission by writing, “It is essential for me to live to complete my mission. This mission will be completed with or without me, but let’s be frank. Without me, the road will be rocky, the weather will be hazy and it will take twice the time for this mission to be completed! With me alive, this mission will take sooner to be completed, it will be completed properly and it will be completed smoothly.
Above statement is not arrogance but it is fact. What I do, makes a huge difference in changing the minds of the future generation. I can change a future Islamist Fundamentalist to a Free Thinker.”
The answer to your question will “Are the odds of a future progressive and “globally accepted” desired Iran as a regional and a continental power to coexist with the globe rather than being the central heart of the global Islamist Fundamentalist Movement, better or worse?”
The answer it that a globally accepted and desired Iran is definitely better than it being the heart of an Islamist Fundamentalist Movement. And yes, with IPC operating with the energy of Dr. Ahreeman X is a great asset for the Iranian people who desire their Persian culture to survive.
You are a very realistic person by writing the following advice for me when I wrote, “Perhaps, someday science, moral behavior, and a spiritual belief in God can be combined to improve our social outlook and ethical behavior.”
Your response:
“Yes brother, Jesus loves you but Smith and Wesson will protect you!”
I had to laugh when you responded to my writing,
“Here you go with God and Scripture again!
Pope Nicholas Ginex?”
Ahreeman, I am glad you ended your dissertation with the following thoughts that applauds debate and that we learn from each other. I am honored to receive a compliment from a man who has my greatest respect for his mission and objectives.
“But you are absolutely correct. These debates will attract a huge number of curious people, Hungry people for knowledge, intellectuals, scholars and most important, the youth to read them and question everything that they have been taught at school so far! Debate and Argumentation is good and productive. Everyone learns something from it.
Nicholas, you are far from dogmatic and in fact you are very open minded and this makes you a productive scholar.
More power to you and All Free Thinkers
“Many are schooled, yet only a few are truly educated.”
Amen Brother!”
Thank you for ending with, “Amen Brother!” for Amen was the greatest Egyptian god that has been described by Jesus as, “the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. (Revelation 3:14)” Yes, we learn from one generation to the next how and why mankind has developed a belief in God. In the future, perhaps my views about God being a Universal Intelligence, not a master of His creations, will allow science and our spiritual views to be compatible for the final goal, which is understanding of ourselves and our world.
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The Ahreemanic Rebuttal
Dialogue of Nicholas Ginex and Ahreeman X (Philosophy)
How Everything Came to Existence?
3 Parts: Micro Aspects, Macro Aspects and General Aspects
Ahreeman X
February 8, 2014
The Ahreemanic Rebuttal
Part 1: Micro Aspects
Master Engineer Ginex:
Greetings my friend. It is very joyful to debate, argue and discuss various issues with you thus you own a wonderful mind and that is a rare quality. I state the truth thus stating Persian flatteries and buttering up is not in my nature.
Manager / Electrical Engineer in Aerospace Industry / Missile Defence Systems, amazing background and on top of it a philosopher too!
For someone who worked in the defence industry, you are too human and spiritual, because many experts in the field of Aerospace have problems working for the defence industry. Their logic is that they refuse to build devices which kill people.
I on the other hand have no problem with that. My logic is:
“Kill em all, let Allah sort em out!”
Aerospace Industry ... The funny thing is that for some bizarre reason, I keep on meeting people in the Aerospace Industry! Two Persian ladies very close to me are in the field. One is a high security level Manager and an Aerospace Engineer who manages and coordinates a few dozen of Aerospace Engineers at a given time. She is the final person who decides if a plane flies or not! The other lady is also an Aerospace Engineer. An Activist friend is also an Aerospace Engineer. My own cousin, she was in charge of building the shuttle controls at NASA. Another friend is an author who used to be in the Aerospace field and now you a retired Engineer, not an Aerospace Engineer but an Electrical Engineer, yet involved managing in the Aerospace Industry. What are you all Aerospace Industry people doing in my life?
Children, oh children are a blessing! You spoke of Grand Children, how sweet they can be. One’s life changes with children and then again with grand children!
Persian food, oh Lord, as a culture lover, food lover and traveler you have known nothing unless you have tried Persian food, the best cuisine in the globe! I do not say this because I am Persian but I say this because I travel the globe and I have tried almost every major cuisine in the world.
Nothing and I mean nothing comes close to Persian Food! Why you ask? Because Persian Food is not just a part of the Persian Culture but Persian food is the backbone and skeleton of the Persian Culture. Persians’ favorite pastime, hobby, lifestyle and desire are to cook and eat food! I have never seen any culture so occupied with food! Some Persian food takes hours to make and some Persians spend half of their lives in the kitchen or on the dining table!
Now the question is: Have you ever tried Persian food? And have you tried it in the right place?
I doubt if you have never did, because you live in Orange County which is loaded with Persians and famous Persian Restaurants such as “Caspian”.
Let’s put it this way:
“World Cuisine without the Persian Cuisine is like a Runner without 2 legs!”
We have invented Kabobs and have a dozen varieties of them.
We invented cooking Basmati Rice to perfection (boil and then bake) to perfection (not like Uncle Ben’s Smooshed Rice). The only people in the world who cook Basmati Rice in a way that you can see every single piece separately, long and tender rather than a pile of stuck together smooshed rice are Persians and Swiss. Even the Swiss copied us and learned it from us!
Persians are obsessed people with food and anyone who ever ate Persian food is perfectly aware of that!
Fine Persian Restaurants have more American customers than Persians!
Fine Persian Restaurants have more Japanese, Chinese, Indian and Paki clients than Persians! And all of these people are Rice making people! Why? Because in comparison to Persians, these people have no clue on how to make rice!
Fine Persian Restaurants have more Arab, Turkish, Jew and Greek clients than Persians! And these people are Kabob makers of the world! Why? Because in comparison to Persians, these people have no clue on how to make Kabobs!
Persian Kabobs, Rice and Stews gave a new meaning, a new taste and a new definition not only to the Middle Eastern food but to the global cuisine!
Don’t let me get started on food (like you mentioned) cause we will be talking about it for months!
Now you are making me hungry! Kabob Time!“Yes, as a first time using your website, I was not aware of use of the “Quote” button. Sorry that you almost got blinded by the light of Amen in trying to follow my responses to your comments.”
Amen prevails!“Your subsection, “BB Code Guide” was very instructive. However, it would be easier if I could simply paste a Word created document, fully annotated with bold and color type directly into a Response Reply. Most writers prefer to create a document on MicroSoft Word and paste it into a Response Reply.”
We all use MS Word and then copy paste to the forum; however, you need to either:
a) Highlight and color my text and your text in different colors (in word or in forum) and/or font (bold)
Or
b) Highlight and click on quote function on my text
This would make our texts to be different color or design, so it is easy to follow and read the debate or else it will all be the same color, font and design, hard to distinguish (like yours).
Basically I do not care. I can follow your writing with or without quotes or different colors but others may have issues to follow.“I do like the use of “Amen” at the end of your writing. It shows you have not completely discarded the significance of this Egyptian God.”
To me, using the term “Amen” is more theatrical, gesture and style. I really enjoy finishing my hardcore articles with “Amen”! Many criticise me as an atheist and as a scientific person, why using this term?!
But I’m not a militant atheist. I use Amen; I celebrate many holidays including Christmas and Nowruz (Persian New Year) but not Islamic ones! I even have Christmas spirit during holidays!
The funny thing is that when people tell me “Happy Holidays”, on purpose, I correct them and return the gesture by saying “Merry Christmas”, like a hardcore Christian! I do not do it because I am religious but I am doing it to piss off the liberals and their political correctness.
As much as I cannot stand Jesus Freaks, yet I cannot stand Liberals, ten times more!“You were not born a rebel but through circumstances in life you were tailored to be a rebel.”
Do not be so sure because you have not been in the womb with me, were you? Don’t tell me we are brothers from the same mother?! Are you my long lost American brother who was kidnapped from Iran and got sold to an American family?
In the “Wild One”, the Chick asked Marlon Brando:
Chick: What are you rebelling against?
Brando: What do you got?
Well that is me! Remember that one? Marlon Brando was and is the symbol of Rebellion for us the Leather Jacket wearing, biking, rebel rousing, anti authority, anti establishment, anti social norms rebels!
Honestly, since I remember, I have been a rebel! I have been a rebel in elementary school against the principle, in the junior high against Imperial Despotism of Shah, in high school against Muslims, in American colleges and universities against liberal faculties’ bureaucracy and hypocrisy, in job market against bosses and corporate crap, in politics against big government, in administration against paper pushers, in community against Superficial and Shallow celebrity loving public, in society against norms, in life against norms, traditions and taboos and on and on ….
Since I opened my eyes, I rebelled starting against my own dynasty and social class!
Maybe it is environment (I am 4th generation of Atheists), maybe it is society (growing up in an Islamic nation), maybe it is love of freedom (rebel rousing and biking in America) and maybe I just have a beef with whatever the majority believes and a beef with authority figures!“Where I differ with your belief, is that I do not subscribe to the existence of Spirits along with Energy and Matter. Spirits are a human concept that connotes mysterious entities similar to gods used to explain an intelligence that created an evolving system or all there is.”
I also say: Matters and Energies created the Spirits.
Mind is spirit.
Brain is matter.
Mind without Brain cannot exist but brain without Mind can exist (deep sleep and nor dreaming).“I agree that the system was never created but evolved beginning with the smallest particles partially discovered in the study of quantum mechanics.”“I believe there was a beginning from possibly nothing. Energy and Matter did not always exist and merely change form. I believe there is an intelligence that forms with the development of Energy and Matter and it has successfully been able to form forces, such as electromagnetic waves and gravity that is inherent within the design of the atom.”
2 above statements of yours do contradict each other, no?
So which is it?
System was never created or there was a beginning?“At our present stage of the universe, I have come to believe that we now have a self-sustaining universe, which did not begin with the “Big Bang.” Scientists have observed that there are quasars, pulsars, and black holes. Explosions from these phenomenons expel gases, matter, and energy back out into the universe whereby massive clouds become the bed for the birth of new stars. Therefore, it is short-sighted to believe that it all started from a massive big ball to cause the big bang.”
You will be amazed that as an Evolutionist and a Materialist, I also do not believe in the Big Bang but I believe in the Snake Shape Graph theory:
Matters and Energies are eternal, been there and will be there forever, like a snake with no beginning and no end which the loops of his body are never a full circle and do not come to close, yet they come very near to be closed but then again they go up and down and in loops forever; therefore, no beginning and ending!“I do not believe scientists believe in Spirits and Spirituality. At least, I surely don’t. The idea of a spirit is a man-made concept similar to the idea of a soul. Religious leaders have developed the concept of a soul to extend their belief in immortality or an infinite future with their god after death. Variations of the soul concept are that it can return into another life form based upon the previous life being spent doing greater works than bad acts.”
Bravo you sound more rational then I and more scientific than I.
But what is the quality of “Mind”? Isn’t Mind, spirit?
Spirits exists but Matters and Energies have created the Spirits. Without Matters and Energies, Spirits cannot exist!“I do believe that the mind can generate thought waves that can be intercepted by others who have the same or similar nature. As long as the mind functions, all things are possible for it has the ability to construct ideas and theories that may be realized. But once it stops functioning, like all other matter, it becomes part of the universe to be transformed into other energy and matter. Sorry, but as my father would say, when your dead your dead.”
Your father sounds like a wise man, that’s why you are wise.“Ahreeman, regarding your thoughts “On My Spirituality,” I believe you conceive that your spirit consists of what you have “learned and earned through humanity, martial arts teachings, universal thinking, rational pondering and logically configuring.” However, these are human learnings that have nothing to do with the Spirit. You have groomed yourself with worthwhile interests in humanity, sciences, and logical thinking. This forms an intelligent human being without any need of Spirit. It is your mind that is precious and your heart that makes your body act – not your spirit, which is simply a concept, a construct of the mind that people have been taught by religious leaders to believe is another entity.”
You sound philosophically more Materialist than I.
As I stated:
<Science has everything to do with morality!
Science has everything to do with Logic.
Logic dictates what is logically Moral.
Rationally Moral thinking and behaviour establishes Morality codes.
In formula: Science => Logic => Morality
Human sense and logic makes us to build a moral code of ethics and morality.
Morality is more scientific and logic than having anything to do with God and Religion.
Moral due to Logic not Religion! >
On this you wrote:“Ahreeman, I do equate science with facts and logic built upon facts. However, science does not lead to moral behavior. Moral behavior never relied on science and logic to be accepted by a community of people. True, moral behavior has been linked to a way to be accepted by a higher entity called god. But also, many different communities that had no formal religion had developed modes of conduct so that they could live together in harmony. But it had nothing to do with science or even logic. It was simply a way to exist and live together in peace.”
But isn’t rationality taught by science? And Rationality dictates to us to be moral? Rationality, Logic and Science go together.“You make a good point that Muslims have a moral code but their code encourages bigotry, hatred, violence, and the killing of innocent people who do not believe in their god Allah. Muslims use the logic that they have the only true religion and therefore want to subjugate all other people with their religion. But this is logic gone astray. What is logical to one people is illogical to another. Logic is built upon premises and many times the premises are faulty. Logic is not a science. It is the way people have been brought up to conceive the world. It is science that eliminates faulty logic by dealing with known and repeatable facts.”
I totally disagree. The only logic is the scientific logic; and religious and other so-called logics are not logics but they are illogic and “Belief Systems” taught by society.“What is moral in one community may not be acceptable in another and this becomes apparent when we contrast one religion with another. Moral codes vary by how extreme one community is brought up over another. Therefore I do not believe it is science and logic that defines morality. It is the experience of “hard knocks” in the real world that communities learn to coexist with one another. Their experience leads to the development of a moral code acceptable to all and has nothing to do with science or logic. Yes, common sense plays a big part. But here too, few people are able to use common sense as they go through life making one mistake after another. Education is key to teach ethics, integrity, justice and truth. These are not scientific facts but behavior patterns to lead wholesome productive lives.”
Very interesting analysis, I like the way your mind works.
Part 2: Macro Aspects“It cannot be over stressed that the people of Mitanni had received great exposure of Egyptian traditions and religious thought.”
Actually this was one way and an important way that Egyptian philosophy influenced the evolution of Faravahar and affected the Zoroastrian thought patterns. Great cultures are interlinked and affect one another. Later on when Persians captured and ruled Egypt for centuries (Achaemenian onward), Persians affected the Egyptian culture.
Unfortunately later on Islam and Arabo-Muslims practically destroyed Egypt and turned it to an Arab country and they almost done the same to Persia and if it wasn’t because of Yaqub Leis Saffarid, Iran would also have been an Arab nation! Same goes for Rome but in Italy’s case, it was the lack of strong navy by the Arabs (to cross to Europe by mass) who saved Rome.“This Egyptian belief strongly influenced Moses, which culminated in the creation of the first five books, referred to as the Torah, written in 950 BCE.”
Yes Jews are not the chosen people, but Moses based his religion on the Egyptian philosophy. Judaism, Ten Commandment and Yahweh were not original and exclusive to the Jews. Tell that your local Jew Rabbi!“Ahreeman, you wrote that,”
< “An Atheist believes in Science. An Atheist is not dogmatic. An atheist believes whatever the science can prove up to this point. If tomorrow the science proves there is a God, then the Atheist believes in God (unlikely)!” >“An atheist may or may not believe in science and in fact have very little knowledge of science. You are attributing too much to the intelligence of an atheist.”
You got a point. Maybe I do and it is due to the fact that mostly the atheists whom I have known were also scientists or scientific people.
< "How can you be an Evolutionist but not an Atheist?" >“So I am an evolutionist who does not reject my conception of god, which is a force that is unknown, mysterious, and incomprehensible. That force has nothing to do with the creationist idea that it was God that created all there is and has created man in His image. This is illogical thinking.
But isn’t this Agnosticism which you also criticise?“My god consists of the forces contending in the universe to express itself by evolving inorganic and organic matter.”
Who created your God? Where did he come from? Isn’t it all comes down to:
Everything in existence (as far as we know Matters and Energies) has always been there and no one created them?“My questions are: “Is there a purpose to evolve (for the creation of) intelligent life?”
Evolution towards betterment and Perfection. Creatures evolve to better adapt to their environment (at the present time) Creatures progress to fit better and survive.
On the other hand, in human case, it seems like the missing link could have been the Aliens who done a genetical engineering on primates (Neanderthals) mixed with their DNA and created us! Either that or we have not discovered the Missing Link yet (aside Ahmadinejad)!“Does the universe have a goal to evolve intelligent life so that such life may look back into the universe and appreciate its forces?”
You are so sentimental but in reality this is simple Evolution and it is scientifically logical.“Does the universe have a vanity, like living humans, to be respected and understood for its crowning ability to evolve living life forms that also possesses intelligence?”
No because the Universe consists of you and I. No creator is involved; therefore, it is not vain.“Does that intelligence pervade the universe?”
Yes and it is the combine intelligence of you, I and All. No Supreme Creator, Higher Being, Destined Plan and Mystery here!“Ahreeman, regarding if I am an atheist, agnostic, or a believer in evolution, It is the latter of the three. I believe in the love of life that our universe has endowed to us. I call it humanity, because I revere all the life forms that our intelligent universe has evolved. We are part of the system that has been created by our universe. Some people call this intelligence God. But I am not able to know this God except by the images and attributes others teach me. And who is to say their philosophical view of God is correct? By simply enjoying the gifts of life that now exist is my humanistic point of view.”
Thank you for clarifications.“You need to provide evidence that Zoroaster believed in Universal Intelligence and had no appreciation for Good versus Evil, Saints and Spirits. He did believe in Ahura Mazda, a god that represented his views about the universe. Universal Intelligence is an idea that, I believe, evolved after Zoroaster for the people of his time had no idea of the expanse of the universe and how it evolved. Please cite documentation that clearly presents Zoroaster’s conception or belief in a Universal Intelligence.”
Exact documentation is only possible via time travel and you will be my first mate when I complete my machine!
After various Barbarian destruction of all Persian books by Alexander and Greco-Macedonians, Muhammadan Arabo-Muslims and etc. you want evidence?
Read between the lines of Avesta and Gatha. I am sure you can distinguish between logical text and fabrications of Mobeds.
< "You can’t believe in Evolution and then talk about Holy Spirit!" >"Ahreeman, you clarified that Holy Spirit or Spirit, if an entity, evolved matter and energy then I am a creationist. I agree there needs to be clarification in that I meant creation that involves the evolution of matter from the smallest of particles to atoms and then inorganic and organic matter. I should not use the idea of Spirit that initiated the evolutionary process because the existence of a Spirit implies a God. Actually, I believe it is electromagnetic and gravitational forces that are associated with energy that initiated the evolutionary process. You are right in that I should not use the term Holy Spirit. I was poetically inclined to identify the unknowable forces that appear to possess a universal intelligence as a “Holy Spirit that pervades the universe.” However, be assured, I do not know this Spirit as being God. God is a man-made concept.”
Thanks for clarification. I love your theory of “electromagnetic and gravitational forces”. It clearly shows the Electrical Engineer in you!
< "Do you believe Spirits created the matters and energies?" >“Ahreeman, as I wrote above, I do not believe in Spirits as it implies an intelligence that has the creative abilities to evolve matter and/or energy. I believe intelligence is like that of a baby. Universal intelligence evolved as matter evolved and found a way to sustain its life. To conceptualize it was Spirits is like conceptualizing God as the initiator of the universe.”
Thanks for clarification again. Now it all makes sense. It was a misunderstanding caused by your misuse of words.
It is all your fault Saint Nicholas! Now I comprehend what you truly mean and where you truly come from.“Ahreeman, I confess that I am an Evolutionist. I do not subscribe to the hypothetical belief that spirits always existed along with energy and matter. I do believe in an intelligence, which I defined as the Holy Spirit. However, it is not the spirit of God but is the mysterious, unknowable, and incomprehensible force(s) that I assign a name to and for no other good name, I call this Holy Spirit God.”
That’s another misusing the terms. Use “Universal Intelligence” or the “Evolving Force” (how you like the second one?)“There appears to be reluctance to call the universal intelligence God. I agree and understand this reluctance because people associate the concept of God with what they have been taught by their religious leaders. I characterize the unknowable force(s) as an intelligence I refer to as the Holy Spirit that pervades the universe. This unknowable force is my only concept of God.”
You are misusing the terms again!“However, please understand that I use the word “Holy” as reverence for this universal intelligence and envision it as the Holy Spirit that pervades the universe. This is my own hypothetical belief and since I have nothing to replace this belief, it is the best my mind can accept for now.”
Pervades: To spread throughout all parts of (Universe) especially subtly and gradually.
I like that definition but change the term from Holy Spirit to the Evolving Force.
< Scientific Theory and Law >“Therefore, I do not subscribe to the idea that matter always existed.”
Then I am talking about the Scientific Fact and you are talking about Science Fiction!
< "So you defy Laws of Physics? Conservation Law of Matters and Energies?
Matters and Energies have never been created, will never be destroyed, yet they always change forms to one another.” >“Ahreeman, your belief in the Laws of Physics, whereby matter and energy have never been created but always existed whereby they can change forms is a limited view of the beginning of the universe.”
Dear Saint Nicholas:
Are you calling me narrow-minded because I believe in Scientific Facts and Laws (So far proven)?
Therefore, you by not believing in it, are not really being creative and imaginative but that makes you “Scientifically Challenged” (I am trying so hard to be politically correct)!“I always thought you could not get something from nothing.”
Then you are an Evolutionist.“To think matter and energy always existed is just a belief.”
No, it is called a Scientific Law (so far proven).“I believe matter and energy are interrelated but evolved from nothing”
You were more logical then than now! Your statement is not a Scientific Fact but a Quantum Mechanics Theory.“and this is becoming a prevalent theory being investigated in the science of quantum mechanics. If you are an evolutionist, you must perceive that there must have been a beginning in the formation of all matter and energy. To say matter and energy always existed is limiting your thirst for knowledge to understand the beginning of the universe.”
No, this is a fallacy and flawed logic, more like illogic.
Evolution means how matters and energies evolve to more complex forms.
Evolution does not mean that matters and energies came from nothing and some force created them! That belief is called Creationism and that is why I call you a closet Creationist.“You see, I am a true evolutionist. Understand that certain laws of physics that hold in our earthly world are not the same in the universe.”
Now you are talking Science Fiction.“Einstein illustrated with the theory of relativity that time is relative and is not constant in all cases.”
Einstein’s Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with it!
Conservation Law, Relativity and Evolution were 3 theories who put the final nail in the coffin creationism.
Are you trying to give a scientific paint job and facade to the same old theory of Creation?
But then again, you could be correct, but Gods could be Aliens who created us; however, still matters and energies have always existed!
< “Buddy, your philosophical view of the universe is similar to a Creationist’s View. You try hard not to believe so, and you try hard to polish your beliefs in a manner that it appears scientific;
however, deep inside, you view, sound, argue, example and declare as a Creationist.” >“Ahreeman, you do not like the word create, created, or creationist. Perhaps, you would rather have had me rephrase the sentence above as, “It is the higher life forms that are the crown achievement of this Energy whereby they reach back out to the universe to understand the Energy, a force, that caused the development of inorganic matter and organic life forms.”
But words give definitions. Wrong words can change the nature of your intention and prevail a different meaning than what you originally intended to show!“Notice that I deleted reference to the phrase, “that created all there is.” I did not mean to use the word “created” in a god but evolutionary sense.”
Words can be used as playing with words. Words also can change the total meaning of what our true intentions are! It is not a matter of I like the term “Creation” or not, but it is the matter of what do you really mean?“Ahreeman, you wrote:
< “I cannot set aside the science and logic and hang on to Unknown hypothesis, based on no rational system, when it suits me! This is not the scientific way!” >“I have told you that I do not know if God exists”
Isn’t that Agnosticism?“The difference between your belief system and mine is that you believe matter and energy always existed. “
Which is called a Scientific Fact.“As for me, I believe there was a beginning for the evolutionary process that finally evolved a universe of galaxies, stars, and planets.”
Which is called at worst “Creation” and at best “a Theory”!“Quantum mechanics is trying to understand the phenomenon of the generation of something from nothing.”
Good Luck! You cannot create something from nothing! Unless you believe in Holy Books which are stories made for adults!“To say the universe always existed with its totality of matter and energy is an unproven belief.”
No, it is a Scientific Fact and as an Electrical Engineer and a High Level Scientist in Aerospace Industry you are perfectly aware of it! Please do not play with words. Maybe your wild imagination and the child in you wants to believe that this is all an “Unproven Belief” and there is more to this story and one day we will find the mystery and also Santa Clause will come down to Earth with his sleigh, but the reality and fact of the matter has nothing to do with “Imagination”. It is good to imagine and have a great imagination because without imagination, nothing new will be coming to existence and creativity will die; however, you cannot brand “Scientific Facts” as “Unproven Beliefs” and try to put a paint job on a “Theory” via the help of a so far “Failed Quantum mechanics attempt and experiment” and refer to it as Scientific Fact! C’mon Master Engineer, we are scientists here. I have a wild imagination too, but unlike you, I do not allow my Science Fiction gets mixed with my Science Facts!“Just as the Big Bang is a belief. To believe the big bang exploded and caused the development of all the galaxies and stars in the universe is nonsense.”
Excuse me but Big Bang is a theory, yet “Conservation Law of Matters and Energies” is a Law of Physics and Science. There is a difference, you know?
As I stated, I do not believe in Big Bang but I do believe in Laws of Science.
Part 3: General Aspects
How Everything Came to Existence?“You do not seem to mind the use of Spirits, Energy and Matter coexisting.”
But right away I stated that: Matters created Spirits.“However, the roots of the belief in one-universal god originated in Egypt and a history of its development has been documented in my books, Future of God Amen and Amen.”
I am pretty much in agreement with you.“You mentioned such similarities as:”
< * Mitra was the daughter of the virgin Goddess Anahita.
* Jesus was the son of the virgin mother Mary!
* Mitra was born on December 25th.
* Jesus was born on December 25th.
* Mitraists were having bread and wine at Mitraist Temples
* Christians are having bread and wine at communions in churches! >
My friend, these are not similarities but they are right off the bat stolen and forged concepts of Mithraism by Christianity! This is damaging to the core of Christianity to the point that many scholars even question the very existence of Jesus as a man and they claim Jesus did not even exist! The whole Christianity is nothing but a story.
I on the other hand, believe that Jesus existed and he was a revolutionary and ahead of his time, but Christian Saints have added much more to his story than what it really was!
I believe Christianity copy pasted from Mithraism the same as Judaism copy pasted from Egyptian Ancient Philosophy and Amun.“Ahreeman, you indicated, “Does direct copy/pasting of the Persian Philosophy of Mithraism sounds familiar?” Yes, but to what extent does Persian Philosophy copy the existing beliefs that originated out of Egypt?”
No because:
Egyptian Ancient Philosophy and Amun is about the unified God as a Monotheistic God.
Original Zoroastrianism is about Duality (2 Gods or 2 Sides of the Same God Ahura Mazda and Ahreeman), also Zoroastrianism believed and respected many Gods who came before Ahura (Ancient Persian Gods) and that is Polytheistic in its nature. Way different and more complexed than Egyptian belief.
However, it is obvious that the Egyptian Philosophy has affected the not just Zoroastrianism but Persian Philosophy, Religion and Symbols such as Faravahar. No doubt.
This is way different than copy pasting and flat stealing someone else’s idea such as Christianity got caught and Judaism got caught doing!“So let us not fall into the trap that any one people were the sole inventor of religious beliefs or the philosophy of Universal Intelligence that became accepted at some period of time.”
Yes Saint Nicholas, our dearly Father Christmas, we shall do! This is what I love about you! The Peacemaker, the politically correct humanist, the Heavenly Father in you!“It is nice to be a strong proponent of your race, culture, and heritage, but do not take on the erroneous belief that your religion is the best or true religion. This is an arrogant view of all religions, which has caused bigotry, hatred, violence, and the killing of innocent people who have their own religious beliefs.”
Yes our Heavenly Father Christmas, forgive us thus we art not as wise as thee and we are not as generous and brotherly loving as thee. Forgive us thus we have sinned!
However, I deal with Facts and not “Brotherly Love Gospels”! Stealing is Stealing and Fairy Tales are Fairy Tales in my Scientific Logical World! It may sound Racist but hey, that’s the price us scientists pay for believing in Facts.
And if you think that is Racist, then get a load O this if you can:
Social Darwinism and Science of Raciology Philosophy (3 Chapters)
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Dear Nicholas, emotions, brotherly love, humanity and political correctness has no room in my scientific world and surely liberalism and revisionist liberal ideas has zero space in scientific factual world!“Ahreeman, I agree with your statement,”
< “In other words you are stating that humanity is too primitive not to believe in God; therefore, we must hand them some type of God to believe in, keep civilized, be moral and to be functional. Without a God, their little lives will shatter and they seize to function as productive beings. Humanity will be like lost little children without their belief in a God or a myth.” >“However, from a practical approach, the belief in God will exist no matter how much logic is presented. So I attempt to challenge the R&R (religious and ruling) authorities to the point of embarrassment of their dogma so that they will understand that they are at the root of much discontent around the world. The R&Rs must revise their scriptures or they will eventually stagnate and die because people like you and me will continue to exist and will grow in numbers to the point that they have no alternative but to update their scriptures.”
Are you sure you are not a Futurist? You sound pretty Futuristic to me? What do you think of Futurism? You do know that I am somewhat of a Futurist. In fact all scientists are!“Your approach is,”
< “I concentrate more on evolving the people, educating the people and informing them, so they can dump all superstition, religions and Gods in the dumpster of history!” >“(I know you love that metaphor)!”
I do I do ....“Think about it. The above paragraph is where I have evolved in my belief in the unknown, mysterious, and incomprehensible force we refer to as Universal Intelligence or God. The thing is that people have got to be honest with themselves and not make up God into some image, a construct of the mind, but to realize this force is the progenitor of the universe that evolved all its inorganic and living life forms. Therefore my conception of God is in line with the evolutionary process but I am not afraid to define God as a Universal Intelligence that pervades the universe.”
Yes, you are trying to be the peace maker between the Scientific Circa and the Religious Circa. At the same time you are trying to evolve human being. Who’s to say you do not get better results than I?!“It is all based upon the attributes the Egyptians originally emulated and worshipped, righteousness, truth and justice.”
But righteousness may be interpreted as Pride by some circa and Pride is no good in Christianity!“Ahreeman, you wrote,”
< “We are part of a Greater System. This is how Universe works. No mystery, No Higher Power, No Plans, No Destiny, No Gods. The system within itself is intelligent and that is why we refer to it as the “Universal Intelligence”. >“As human beings have done throughout the ages, they think and such thinking evolves ideas and philosophical views about their existence and their lives. To believe there is no higher power, no plans, no destiny but still refer to this as Universal Intelligence appears to show little regard for this force.”
Let’s Clarify this issue:
“Universal Intelligence” is a collective intelligence force made up of all intelligence around the universe and all interactive forces between energies and matters. This is a real force and a reality. This entity is not holy; therefore, it does not require respect and it is not requirement to respect it.
Universal Intelligence is not a higher power but it is a collective universal intelligence which includes yours and my intelligence. Every element in the universe is a part of it. No higher power here. No lower power here.
But if you are talking about the creation of man and aliens (Gods) being involved, then the Aliens were higher intellects than man; therefore, they were more on the top of food chain than man and you may call them the higher powers than man.“It is a wonderful and marvelous revelation to know that a Universal Intelligence has as its purpose the evolution of living life forms that can think, reach out, and learn to appreciate the unknown force we call Universal Intelligence. When I look at a butterfly, a flower, and the many creatures that surround us, I cannot believe that the Universal Intelligence has no purpose in evolving the highest form of life that can look up and appreciate its wonders. One cannot help feel that this Universal Intelligence evolved life for some purpose. This is why mankind will always believe in God even though that god we call Universal Intelligence cannot be seen or it existence comprehended.”
There is no purpose in a sense that there exists a destined purpose. Simply because the Universal Intelligence is not an entity the same as a God who created all for a purpose.
Let’s hypothetically call them:
Greater System: Whole Universe
Smaller System: Experiment Earth (Alien made Man)
Universal Intelligence is you and I and All. The purpose is Evolution to evolve more complex for the betterment. Evolution is the whole purpose. Everything evolves. But the whole system is not designed for a specific purpose and a destiny. The “Greater System” has no specific purpose because it is not a God. But the purpose for the “Smaller System” is to see how far man can evolve as a lab rat made by Alien DNA + Primate. Even in this case, Evolution is the purpose.
There is no Ulter motive or Alter motive. No destiny and no plan. No mystery and no higher power.
This is just the way the things are in this universe. And imagine this is only one universe and there are other universes for eternity ..... No beginning and no end.
The problem with you is that you are still looking for a creator, a purpose, a destiny and a mystery!
This is a Creationist way of thinking (subconsciously). The mystery is right here on Earth and it is called you and I. The mystery is Evolution of All. The purpose is to Evolve cause without Evolution, everything stagnates and life seizes to exist (Survival of the Fittest). This is why Religion has seized to evolve, stagnates, dying and rotten to the core.“As far as aliens are concerned, I do not believe aliens care to genetically engineer apes into humans. The nearest star is 43 light years away and to find a planet that has the conditions to evolve intelligent life forms is a near impossibility. We are now talking about hundreds of light years for an alien to travel in a spaceship. To conceive a spaceship able to withstand millions upon millions of miles becomes inconceivable, but all things are possible.”
Exactly, all things are possible. Have you heard of the Wormholes, star gates, time travel, warp speed and many other ways of universal traffic? This distance maybe a lot for us but for them, it’s from Philadelphia to New York or better from point a to point b with a distance of few minutes!
So have you watched and are you watching the “Ancient Aliens” Series on the History Channel or not? What do you think of the series? I know that you are aware of the Erich Von Daniken and Chariots of Gods, so what do you think of it?
< God that has a purpose?
God that wants to evolve us?
So we can be the best that we can be?
So we can be good servants to our Supreme Master? >“I again state that nobody knows if God exists.”
I do! God exists and I, the Man have created him. Without me the Man, he does not exist. Matters gave birth to Spirits.“The best we can agree on is that there is a Universal Intelligence.”
This is where the misunderstanding is.
Your Universal Intelligence is a Creative Force, a God-like Force.
My Universal Intelligence is an “Evolving Force”. It evolves within itself and all entities which consist it and construct it are evolving; therefore, it evolves. This Universal Intelligence is dynamic and progressive because we make it that way and not vice versa. This force does not create us but we create it.
You are looking at this force as a creative force but I look at it as a created force.
Nicholas, it seems like you are in dire straight of looking for the Creator?! Stop looking, you have met him and his name is Ahreeman X. I confess, I am the Creator! Mystery is over; now let’s get back to the discussion!“to say this UI or God is a supreme master that wants us to be good servants is a foolish idea.”
That is what holy books say!“The UI I speak of has no interest in heaven or hell or life forms living eternally. This is a manmade concept and a foolish one at that. However, it was the start of our spiritual growth to understand the unknowable force we call UI or God.”
I agree with you in this manner that religions if nothing, at least registered some concepts of morality in human brains and without them, the public would have still commit incest, polygamy and murder (well Muslims still do)!“Still, I appreciate your perspective that the universe is alive with all its matter and energy for it is the universe, or Universal Intelligence that is capable of evolving (creating) living life forms.”
Definition of “Life” is very tricky and complex. How can Earth not be alive while it contains plants and animals which are alive? How can Earth have oxygen, CO2, water and fertile soil which are requirements for life and not be alive? Isn’t Earth a living planet? Isn’t Sun a living star? Long ago they thought Starfish is a plant but then they found out it is an animal! Today’s Rock maybe tomorrow’s life!“this policy is mandated by President Obama”
Hussein Obama is a Kenyan Marxist Islamist, nothing more and nothing less. He is not my president. He may be yours but not mine. As a Tea Party Conservative I have fought him and shall fight him every inch of the way through his second term until freeing America from his blend of Socialism with a dash of Islamism! The vision he has for America is to wear Maoist Caps while attending Mosques and this is far from my vision of America. Obama cherishes Euro-Pee-On Socialism and Islam Religion of Peace. I cherish Constitution of United States of America, the most unique democratic gift to the mankind and not just America.“You showed a photo of Obama as a young man being taught Islamic instruction. How authentic is that photo? If it is real, some text should be written about that photo on your website.”
This is a huge website and I do not exactly know what page are you talking about and if it was humor or real but I tell you this much that Obama in his youth has studied in Indonesian Madrasah (Muslim Religious School), so go figure ...
“Give me a child for the first 6 years of his life and I will hand you a Nazi!”
(Adolf Hitler)“Ahreeman, you have clearly indicated your mission by writing,”
< “It is essential for me to live to complete my mission. This mission will be completed with or without me, but let’s be frank. Without me, the road will be rocky, the weather will be hazy and it will take twice the time for this mission to be completed! With me alive, this mission will take sooner to be completed, it will be completed properly and it will be completed smoothly.
Above statement is not arrogance but it is fact. What I do, makes a huge difference in changing the minds of the future generation. I can change a future Islamist Fundamentalist to a Free Thinker.” >“The answer to your question will “
< “Are the odds of a future progressive and “globally accepted” desired Iran as a regional and a continental power to coexist with the globe rather than being the central heart of the global Islamist Fundamentalist Movement, better or worse?”“The answer it that a globally accepted and desired Iran is definitely better than it being the heart of an Islamist Fundamentalist Movement. And yes, with IPC operating with the energy of Dr. Ahreeman X is a great asset for the Iranian people who desire their Persian culture to survive.”
Thank you for your input.“You are a very realistic person by writing the following advice for me when I wrote, ““Perhaps, someday science, moral behavior, and a spiritual belief in God can be combined to improve our social outlook and ethical behavior.”“Your response:”
< “Yes brother, Jesus loves you but Smith and Wesson will protect you!” >“I had to laugh when you responded to my writing,”
< “Here you go with God and Scripture again!
Pope Nicholas Ginex?” >
Nicholas, if you ever get elected in Vatican, you will be the first Christian Pope and Saint who will also be a Scientific Evolutionist!“Ahreeman, I am glad you ended your dissertation with the following thoughts that applauds debate and that we learn from each other. I am honored to receive a compliment from a man who has my greatest respect for his mission and objectives.”
< “But you are absolutely correct. These debates will attract a huge number of curious people, Hungry people for knowledge, intellectuals, scholars and most important, the youth to read them and question everything that they have been taught at school so far! Debate and Argumentation is good and productive. Everyone learns something from it.
